Help needed please

DIYdan · Sep 30, 2019

Jon Bateson said:
Take the red and yellow out of the connector and join through. Leave the blue in live and put both blacks in neutral. If switches are working opposite to before transpose blue and yellow in switch. Power off and sleeve the earths
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So basically place the blue and yellow wire together where the blacks are and place the blacks into the yellows old position? If the switches are reversed what do you mean by transpose the blue and yellow wires. Sorry ?

westward10 · Sep 30, 2019

As above. .

DIYdan · Sep 30, 2019

westward10 said:
As above. .

That's great I will try that tomorrow when I have daylight. The only thing I need clarifying is if the switches are reversed. I'm not clear on what to do then to get them to work as they always have. It's great to have found such a helpful forum, really appreciate all the help

Deleted account · Sep 30, 2019

That helps thanks.

DIYdan said:
I tried taking from both angles, hope that's good enough for you to make out. It's the right hand switch that wont come on, the left hand switches light is working. Thanks for your help

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Does one switch turn on one light and the other turn on the other?
Basically you do not turn both lights on with one switch?

DIYdan · Sep 30, 2019

Paignton pete said:
That helps thanks.

Does one switch turn on one light and the other turn on the other?
Basically you do not turn both lights on with one switch?

Yeah its a double switch, one for each light in the kitchen, the switch either allows their solo use or both at the same time

Jon Bateson · Sep 30, 2019

DIYdan said:
So basically place the blue and yellow wire together where the blacks are and place the blacks into the yellows old position? If the switches are reversed what do you mean by transpose the blue and yellow wires. Sorry ?

Leave the blue where it is. Remove the red that’s with it and the yellow that’s in N and join them together. Then put the two blacks together into the N terminal. Transpose means swap blue and yellow positions either at switch or fitting if wrong switch operates wrong light and it bugs you

DIYdan · Sep 30, 2019

Jon Bateson said:
Leave the blue where it is. Remove the red that’s with it and the yellow that’s in N and join them together. Then put the two blacks together into the N terminal. Transpose means swap blue and yellow positions either at switch or fitting if wrong switch operates wrong light and it bugs you

Thankyou for clearing that up for me, it’s been a long day. Will joining the red and yellow with the choc block that the blacks are currently in be sufficient for the join or should I go with the wago?

westward10 · Sep 30, 2019

Wago. . .

DIYdan · Sep 30, 2019

I will pop out in the morning to get some wago blocks and some sleeve for the earths, and connect as instructed above and post my findings, hopefully success, but pictures if not. Thanks to everyone

westward10 · Sep 30, 2019

It was so obvious once we could see the switch wires

DIYdan · Sep 30, 2019

I really hope it works. If I wasn’t bald already, I definately would have been from the stress it’s caused me lol

Jon Bateson · Sep 30, 2019

Try being a sparks then ...... on second thoughts lol

DIYdan · Sep 30, 2019

Just a thought before tomorows attempt, it’s pretty tough getting all those earths into the block, could I theoretically group them together in a wago with 5 ports and then use another single copper earth wire from the wago to the fitting to make it easier?

westward10 · Sep 30, 2019

DIYdan said:
Just a thought before tomorows attempt, it’s pretty tough getting all those earths into the block, could I theoretically group them together in a wago with 5 ports and then use another single copper earth wire from the wago to the fitting to make it easier?

Yes you can.

telectrix · Oct 1, 2019

DIYdan said:
Just a thought before tomorows attempt, it’s pretty tough getting all those earths into the block, could I theoretically group them together in a wago with 5 ports and then use another single copper earth wire from the wago to the fitting to make it easier?

get the wago 221 lever type. it's a lot easier to get the cpc (earth) wires in. with the push in wagos, you're generally pushing in the sleeving and not the conductor.