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Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.

[ElectriciansForums.net] Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago. :eek:mg_smile:

[ElectriciansForums.net] Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!
 
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timhoward said:
It looks as though the middle two N connections at the meter are the opposite was around to normal, somewhat adding to the confusion.
From left to right at meter I think we have supply L, load N, supply N, load L.
Is there any main earthing going to the switched fuses on the left?
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It looks as though the middle two N connections at the meter are the opposite was around to normal, somewhat adding to the confusion.
From left to right at meter I think we have supply L, load N, supply N, load L.

have to disagree there. looks likre N from fuse to Henley on the left of the meter, gthen into term;2 on meter. then terminal 3 to henley that's next to the fuse, then on to the circuits.
 
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telectrix said:
It looks as though the middle two N connections at the meter are the opposite was around to normal, somewhat adding to the confusion.
From left to right at meter I think we have supply L, load N, supply N, load L.

have to disagree there. looks likre N from fuse to Henley on the left of the meter, gthen into term;2 on meter. then terminal 3 to henley that's next to the fuse, then on to the circuits.
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Even though I was there, I didn’t notice the neutrals… so I’m going by the photograph.

If the meter terms are numbered 1,2,3,4 from left… I see supply line from fuse into 1. Then neutral load going to the Henley to the left of meter from 2. There are outgoing neutrals from this Henley.
The neutral on 3 goes to Henley just above the fuse, which I’m taking as supply, next to earth Henley.
4 is load line

So I’m on the side of 2 and 3 mixed.

Not that it makes any difference, right? The meter doesn’t slow down or anything
 
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i think the henley just to the left of meter is fed from the fuse, which would make the meter terminals correct.

and that could be a cracking upgrade by replacing the switches with a long slim din rail box with a new CU directly below. gland all the conduits into the ntop of the din rail box and extend with din rail connectors.
 
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littlespark said:
Accumulative earth faults?

That’s a lot of sockets on one rcd.
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There is from the RCD going left.

40A cooker
40A shower
40A second shower
32A ring to 6 2gang garage workshop sockets
32A ring to 7 2gang sockets in an office area
32A ring to 12 2gang sockets downstairs
32A ring to 14 2gang sockets upstairs
32A ring to 9 2gang sockets in hall, entrance foyer and utility.
6A radial to boiler
16A radial to 3 x 2gang outdoor sockets.

So I’m surmising the RCD has been overworked a tad.
 
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The customer had a N-E-L fault on their ring. The previous electrician had moved it off the RCD as a 'temporary' measure. I could hear arching coming from inside of a wall when the cable was live. Found this buried within the cement render. A previous spark had jointed a leg of the 2.5mm ring and buried it.

Not sure if it was the damp, a bad connection or a combination but it sure went pop.
 

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JosephandAmber said:
The customer had a N-E-L fault on their ring. The previous electrician had moved it off the RCD as a 'temporary' measure. I could hear arching coming from inside of a wall when the cable was live. Found this buried within the cement render. A previous spark had jointed a leg of the 2.5mm ring and buried it.

Not sure if it was the damp, a bad connection or a combination but it sure went pop.
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I wonder if that was a underrated joint used and it’s let go over time? Either way it’s not special for the customer.
 
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I've shared these crimp and tape tails before, what I didn't twig first time was why.
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Yep, can't remove CU cover as top of cupboard in way.
So changing the tails became a slightly more interesting job. (CU now shifted down 2 inches too.)
 
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Neighbour knocked on my door this morning
looking a bit sheepish and shaken

“just changed a light and it works ok but gave me a big shock when I tried to put the cover on”

he had copied the original rose cable positions.
N - loop - live
to the new fitting that came with a terminal block
N - pe - live

the earths were all twisted together and not connected to anything.

took me a full 30 seconds to see the red wires in the terminal with the green/yellow and mentally compute that it looked WRONG!!!

to preserve the little self pride the poor guy had, I didn’t take any pictures.

I have a funny feeling a bottle of wine or case of beer might be coming my way.
 
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James said:
Neighbour knocked on my door this morning
looking a bit sheepish and shaken

“just changed a light and it works ok but gave me a big shock when I tried to put the cover on”

he had copied the original rose cable positions.
N - loop - live
to the new fitting that came with a terminal block
N - pe - live

the earths were all twisted together and not connected to anything.

took me a full 30 seconds to see the red wires in the terminal with the green/yellow and mentally compute that it looked WRONG!!!

to preserve the little self pride the poor guy had, I didn’t take any pictures.

I have a funny feeling a bottle of wine or case of beer might be coming my way.
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I have seen the Perm lives shoved in the earth terminal a couple times , customers complaining when they touch the light they get a belt

basically the light fitting was acting like a make shift earth electrode
 
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James said:
took me a full 30 seconds to see the red wires in the terminal with the green/yellow and mentally compute that it looked WRONG!!!
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Last time I had a similar case (friend says he changed the rose and now it trips) it took me nearly 10 minutes to find the issue. After staring at the rose for ages thinking there's absolutely nothing wrong here and feeling stupid I finally found the CPC the switch end was in L2 at the switch. It had been all along. In those daft circumstances it actually matters which way around the two switch wires are connected the rose end!
 
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