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Really gets my goat when scam vetted electricians do this kind of work on people homes. I am seeing more and more sh!t work these days done by so called cpc scam vetted installers.
In the last 6 months alone I have ripped out 2 almost new boards which were fitted by scam registered electricians as the workmanship was so bad it was easier to rip the crap out and start again
Rant Over
In the last 6 months alone I have ripped out 2 almost new boards which were fitted by scam registered electricians as the workmanship was so bad it was easier to rip the crap out and start again
Rant Over
I'm now unsure whether the contractor is NICEIC registered, the reason I chose him was because he seemed knowledgeable and told me I would be issued with an electrical safety certificate stating the house had undergone a full rewire. Can I ask you, what makes a contractor eligible to issue electrical safety certificates and are these logged with Building Control, or some other body once issued? Thanks in advance
He states on his advertising 'We are fully 18th Edition compliant and test & Inspection qualified.'
This comes as a surprise to many, but no qualification is required to issue a certificate, only requirement is that the person is deemed to be "skilled". The correct term is Electrical Installation Certificate by the way.
(If you receive one saying Electrical Installation Condition Report then that is used when inspecting an installation, and should not be used for work just undertaken)
Certain works need to be notified to building control. These include changing a consumer unit and installing a new circuit. A rewire is most definitely in this territory. This is completely a separate to certification, the contractor must belong to a CPS (like NICEIC or Napit) and the scheme has a way for them to notify building control about the work. The building control people don't get to see the electrical installation certificate.
You can check for membership of all the CPS schemes in one go here:
Competent Persons Register | Home
Competent person schemes (CPS) were introduced by the Government to allow individuals and enterprises to self-certify that their work complies with the Building Regulations.
www.competentperson.co.uk
Finding out whether the contractor is in one or not is quite an important first step.
Apart from shockingly bad workmanship, I smell a rat, here. If you’ve yet to start the redecorating then I wouldn’t - I’ve a suspicion that any electrical inspector will find a catalogue of errors in what they’ve done. As to the advertising description, 18th edition and testing qualified, that just smacks of what we often refer to on here as a short course wonder - someone who has undertaken the minimum amount of desk based training possible in the belief that it gives them the experience to claim they’re an electrician. Certainly don’t pay any more money, get a genuine known reputable electrician to take a look over it (there are many on here in your area) and go from there. If they ARE a member of an accredited scheme (NICEIC, Napit, others) then register a complaint with the scheme and if they’re not then use Trading Standards.
But don't rectify it, or you might lose your opportunity of redress. They can test to make sure you are not in immediate danger through lack of earthing etc.
If they are falsely claiming to be NICEIC registered, the NICEIC would be the ones to contact.......they don't consider 'taking their name in vain' a minor issue, especially with such blatant evidence so easily available.
Can we get more photos?
A picture of the consumer unit showing the circuit breakers will give us a good idea.
You said they left to start another job…. Was your job complete at this time?
There are a few members of the forum near Liverpool that could give it a quick once- over to help catalogue any issues.
A picture of the consumer unit showing the circuit breakers will give us a good idea.
You said they left to start another job…. Was your job complete at this time?
There are a few members of the forum near Liverpool that could give it a quick once- over to help catalogue any issues.
Check they are a member of NICEIC on the website under ‘find a contractor’.
If they are then look up NICEIC Platinum Promise.
If they are then look up NICEIC Platinum Promise.
I'd be happy to visit and assess the installation for you, then advise on the best way forward.meanwhile, as others have said. don'tpay them anymore money until the installation has been independently checked. This would probablycostyou around £100 - £150, but that could be negotiated from the balance, alongwith the costs for remedial works if you don't want them back.
Thank you so much. I may call upon you however I have just spoken to the professional body who he is a member of and they have advised me not to let anybody touch it at this stage in case he offloads responsibility. They have advised I now make a formal complaint, which I am about to do. However, I keep discovering more suspect work and will upload more images today. Can you advise if you think I am going to have to have the whole lot redone?
Stripping wallpaper in my kitchen today in preparation for plastering, I discovered this......
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at first sight thatlooks OK>the cable is in line horizontally with the socket, and so it is compliant with prescribed zones. capping or tubing is advantageous in some ways, but not obligatory in a chase.
not to let anybody touch it at this stage
agreed, you can get it inspected, but at this stage, not altered.
agreed, you can get it inspected, but at this stage, not altered.
Thank you very much for your help and advice. The wire is sitting proud of the wall plaster so will be sticking out of the wall after plastering - unless the plasterer puts a very thick layer of plaster onto the wall. I understood wires should be buried into the wall...? Also there appears to be another section of wire folded down over the main section with a nail in it, this also sticks out, is this ok to do?
For a decent plaster finish the cable should be about 5mm beneath the surface of the wall. Then filled up with filler ready for the thin plaster top finish
That cable is too proud and will need chopping in a bit more
You paid for a full rewire which means wire from point A to point B with no splices
If it was a full rewire…. Why was there wallpaper over that patched wall?
It just looks very DIY with filler like that around the socket.
I was going to suggest to check that wasn’t a spur from a spur or something silly, but then I realised which thread this was.
Full (?) rewire?
Still want to see what the consumer unit looks like.
Take Tel up on his offer… he will be able to tell walking into the place whether it’s been a good job or not… no need to dismantle anything really.
It just looks very DIY with filler like that around the socket.
I was going to suggest to check that wasn’t a spur from a spur or something silly, but then I realised which thread this was.
Full (?) rewire?
Still want to see what the consumer unit looks like.
Take Tel up on his offer… he will be able to tell walking into the place whether it’s been a good job or not… no need to dismantle anything really.
Thank you for your response. This gives me a little more confidence. The chasing in on the walls is generally a bit better than in this image and I did see the wires which all appeared intact. There are more junctions which have bare metal wire, I will get images later.
I need to consider my options carefully. I am not out to destroy anybody's reputation and I would prefer to leave my house as intact as possible. Any advice on how to move forward would be greatly appreciated
Thank you so much. I have attached images of the consumer unit. What I have not explained so far is that the main contractor left his son and an apprentice on the job. His son assured me he was qualified/experienced and I trusted what he said. I am not out to damage anybody's reputation but just want as much fact as possible before taking the next step. I will get Tel to look over it and give me a second opinion. I am hoping it is not as bad as it appears and can be rectified without tearing my house apart again.
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Let the scheme deal with it glad they have given you a positive response.
That trunking at the top of the consumer unit is rough.
Now I will throw my hat in the the ring.
1) was it a recommendation.
2) was the firm Napit or other.
3) Did you pay for a contract.
5) was a deposit paid.
Me has above get independent spark in
EICR see what is says, tell the company
You going to pay them to sort out the bad workand see them in court. And inform traders in standed.
1) was it a recommendation.
2) was the firm Napit or other.
3) Did you pay for a contract.
5) was a deposit paid.
Me has above get independent spark in
EICR see what is says, tell the company
You going to pay them to sort out the bad workand see them in court. And inform traders in standed.
I would say a spirit level has never been near them!
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