Exposed copper wire under the floorboards after rewire

JanWilson · Jan 20, 2022

I have just had my house fully rewired. I lifted a few of the loose floorboards to clean and noticed at junctions there is a lot of exposed copper wire. Is this normal or even safe?

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mattg4321 · Jan 21, 2022

OP have you received any test certificates?

123 · Jan 21, 2022

Worth noting that even if you post a very good standard of work on this forum its going to get some criticism.

That said, that doesn't look like a very good standard of work at all from any of the photo's so far, it'll be interesting to see what actions, if any, the scheme takes.

Dustydazzler · Jan 21, 2022

123 said:
Worth noting that even if you post a very good standard of work on this forum its going to get some criticism.

That said, that doesn't look like a very good standard of work at all from any of the photo's so far, it'll be interesting to see what actions, if any, the scheme takes.

A lashed joint like that with all the cores hanging out has never been acceptable , even rough old electricians would have wrapped it in some tape

ipf · Jan 21, 2022

DPG said:
That trunking at the top of the consumer unit is rough.

Not as rough as the tails.....with T&E clips....well, perhaps not.

Dave OCD · Jan 21, 2022

I'd love to see inside that board but not worth the OP risking taking the cover off . Work of this standard really infuriates me ,I genuinely feel sorry for the OP, particularly with the history and sentimental value of the house.

Dustydazzler · Jan 22, 2022

What makes it worse is the OP hired an 'electrician' to do the re-wire and this is the dogs breakfast they got.

I could understand the mess if they hired a builder or plumber to do the re-wire but not from a trained electrician.

This industry especially the domestic sector has gone to the dogs and the rough work I see on a regular basis done by so called cps sparks is terrifying.
I even saw a bypassed rcd the other day done by a so called cps sparks. This has to be an all time low for the industry.

I have tried reporting these imposters to the scams in the past but nothing ever happens and the homeowner just ends up paying me or someone else to re-do the work.

Shame

nicebutdim · Jan 22, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
What makes it worse is the OP hired an 'electrician' to do the re-wire and this is the dogs breakfast they got.

I could understand the mess if they hired a builder or plumber to do the re-wire but not from a trained electrician.

This industry especially the domestic sector has gone to the dogs and the rough work I see on a regular basis done by so called cps sparks is terrifying.
I even saw a bypassed rcd the other day done by a so called cps sparks. This has to be an all time low for the industry.

I have tried reporting these imposters to the scams in the past but nothing ever happens and the homeowner just ends up paying me or someone else to re-do the work.

Shame

I'm inclined to agree but, no matter what sort of training this 'electrician' undertook, they'll have known full well that such work is unacceptable.

baldelectrician · Jan 22, 2022

You can ask the NICEIC to perform an inspection (they may ask you to pay initially but you can use their inspectors report as evidence in court)

Did the contractor give you a written quote with a 14 day cooling off period (if not you can ask - through court -for your money back)

Markyd · Jan 23, 2022

Absolute crap work....Report them..Name and shame and dont pay...Threaten them with court and make sure no other poor unsuspecting person uses them ever again ....This has to stop

pc1966 · Jan 23, 2022

SJD said:
A close up if the bottom of the consumer unit would also be interesting, to see what sort of a gland or grommet they have used - hopefully it is not cables resting on the sharp edge of the metal.

That was also my though. If the exposed joints are typical of the "workmanship" then a lack of proper cable protection/support is not going to surprise me

SagaCU29 · Jan 23, 2022

Of course everybody is assuming that the exposed terminals are part of the rewire and not the original wiring.
Just saying.

James · Jan 23, 2022

Agreed but even if they are original and now unused cables, I would expect to see them in an enclosure

Dustydazzler · Jan 23, 2022

SagaCU29 said:
Of course everybody is assuming that the exposed terminals are part of the rewire and not the original wiring.
Just saying.

Even if by some twist of fate that birds nest joint was the original wiring , Imo any sparks worth their salt during a full rewire should of at very least put it all in a choc box or adaptable box

Dustydazzler · Jan 23, 2022

£2.50 from any wholesalers

Problem solved

nicebutdim · Jan 23, 2022

SagaCU29 said:
Of course everybody is assuming that the exposed terminals are part of the rewire and not the original wiring.
Just saying.

OP states full rewire and connectors pictured look to be 'Ideal' brand, which would place them in the last few years.

123 · Jan 23, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
£2.50 from any wholesalers

Problem solved

That's not really suitable for a joint under the floorboards either though

Dave OCD · Jan 23, 2022

123 said:
That's not really suitable for a joint under the floorboards either though

Agreed - and I also think Dusty must be using a very expensive wholesaler !

Jim_e_Jib · Jan 23, 2022

Dave OCD said:
Agreed - and I also think Dusty must be using a very expensive wholesaler !

The wholesaler knows how much his hourly rate is

timhoward · Jan 23, 2022

Jim_e_Jib said:
The wholesaler knows how much his hourly rate is

I reckon wholesalers in that neck of the woods must serve caviar on toast, canopes, and Pimms, not digestive biscuits and instant coffee...

Dave OCD · Jan 23, 2022

That must be the same wholesaler frequented by Artifarty electrics eh ?

telectrix · Jan 23, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
£2.50 from any wholesalers

Problem solved

is that relic mushroom free without a cable tie and bare cpc's twisted oiutside the box??

Dustydazzler · Jan 23, 2022

telectrix said:
is that relic mushroom free without a cable tie and bare cpc's twisted oiutside the box??

I save JBs for the Rolls Royce Jobs , normally I just twist the wires together and sling the whole mess under the floor boards....

Isn't that what every one does ???

littlespark · Jan 23, 2022

Joint boxes….. floorboards….. I sense a monty python sketch coming…

Luxury…. Bloody luxury

MJPD29 · Jan 23, 2022

I have to say after reading through the thread from the start until the picture of the consumer unit, I was fully expecting to see a BG split load board.

catdog1121 · Jan 24, 2022

Matthewd29 said:
I have to say after reading through the thread from the start until the picture of the consumer unit, I was fully expecting to see a BG split load board.

Haha I was going to say the exact same thing, as soon as you see a BG split load board with no SPD on a new consumer unit you know its gunna be rough... Cheapest consumer unit Screwfix sell.

Personally I just don't give customers the choice, I fit Hager, if they want something cheaper they can go with someone else, clearly this is the result.. Worst thing for the OP is I bet they weren't cheap either.. I know as electricians we always moan about other peoples work as we all like to do things our own way etc but I think we can unanimously all agree that is as rough as old boots, how have these people been allowed to continue in the industry, I blame the CPS's, NICEIC should not be suggesting the customer make an official complaint to the company, with such poor workmanship they should be coming out and checking and then chucking that company out of their scheme and banning that person from joining and telling NAPIT about him so he cant join them.. But of course they just want their money..

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