A gas question (sorry)

SJD · Mar 18, 2022

Apologies that this is a plumbing question, but I'm sure there will be people here who can answer this.

Working in a house today that is in the middle of a total refurb (gutted, rewired, replumbed, etc).
The gas supply is currently disconnected inside the house (in the hall), about 2m after the meter & shut-off valve.
This pipe end from the meter is open, if you opened the shut-off valve (under the stairs), you will fill the hall with gas.

Edit: for clarity, I've not opened the valve, I just supect gas will escape!

Now I never leave a cable with bare ends that can be energised e.g. accidentally by a switch, circuit breaker, etc.
I'd have thought it unacceptable to leave a gas pipe like this, perhaps it is even against some gas regs?

JBW175 · Mar 18, 2022

I’ll ask my brother and see what he says.

7029 dave · Mar 18, 2022

The pipe should not be open ended, it needs to be capped off, this is classed as ID immediately dangerous same as C1.
NB this needs to be rectified ASAP

SparkyChick · Mar 18, 2022

From the legislation here:- The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 - https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/part/B/made

"General safety precautions

6.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting in such a manner that gas could be released unless steps are taken to prevent the gas so released constituting a danger to any person.

(2) No person carrying out work in relation to a gas fitting shall leave the fitting unattended unless every incomplete gasway has been sealed with the appropriate fitting or the gas fitting is otherwise safe.

(3) Any person who disconnects a gas fitting shall, with the appropriate fitting, seal off every outlet of every pipe to which it was connected. "

7029 dave · Mar 18, 2022

Obviously needs to be done by a gassafe engineer .

Megawatt · Mar 18, 2022

SJD said:
Apologies that this is a plumbing question, but I'm sure there will be people here who can answer this.

Working in a house today that is in the middle of a total refurb (gutted, rewired, replumbed, etc).
The gas supply is currently disconnected inside the house (in the hall), about 2m after the meter & shut-off valve.
This pipe end from the meter is open, if you opened the shut-off valve (under the stairs), you will fill the hall with gas.

Now I never leave a cable with bare ends that can be energised e.g. accidentally by a switch, circuit breaker, etc.
I'd have thought it unacceptable to leave a gas pipe like this, perhaps it is even against some gas regs?

That’s dangerous it’s needs a shut off valve that can be locked out

JBW175 · Mar 18, 2022

[ElectriciansForums.net] A gas question (sorry)

snowhead · Mar 18, 2022

It may have a cap fitted in the inlet or outlet pipe at the meter to prevent the flow of gas , but the reg stated above and below still applies as the pipe is still connected.

7029 dave · Mar 18, 2022

snowhead said:
It may have a cap fitted in the inlet or outlet pipe at the meter to prevent the flow of gas , but the reg stated above and below still applies as the pipe is still connected.

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The OP states when the ECV is open there is a gas escape.

snowhead · Mar 18, 2022

7029 dave said:
The OP states when the ECV is open there is a gas escape.

Not the way I read it (it says IF) and I doubt he's stupid enough to have turned the gas on.

littlespark · Mar 18, 2022

SJD said:
Apologies that this is a plumbing question, but I'm sure there will be people here who can answer this.

Working in a house today that is in the middle of a total refurb (gutted, rewired, replumbed, etc).
The gas supply is currently disconnected inside the house (in the hall), about 2m after the meter & shut-off valve.
This pipe end from the meter is open, if you opened the shut-off valve (under the stairs), you will fill the hall with gas.

Now I never leave a cable with bare ends that can be energised e.g. accidentally by a switch, circuit breaker, etc.
I'd have thought it unacceptable to leave a gas pipe like this, perhaps it is even against some gas regs?

So what are you going to do about it? Walk off the job? Report them? Fall out with the plumber?

Seriously interested, not stirring.

SJD · Mar 18, 2022

Thanks for the replies confirming it appears dangerous.
I don't know if there is some internal cap in the pipework e.g. at the meter or not.

I've asked the owner to get this checked urgently.
And no, I'm not stupid enough to turn the gas on and see if the hall fills up with gas!

7029 dave · Mar 18, 2022

snowhead said:
Not the way I read it (it says IF) and I doubt he's stupid enough to have turned the gas on.

SJD said:
Thanks for the replies confirming it appears dangerous.
I don't know if there is some internal cap in the pipework e.g. at the meter or not.

I've asked the owner to get this checked urgently.
And no, I'm not stupid enough to turn the gas on and see if the hall fills up with gas!

Well lets hope there is a disc in the inlet or outlet pipe, however this pipe is still open ended because it is still connected to live supply and needs to be capped off.

telectrix · Mar 18, 2022

7029 dave said:
Obviously needs to be done by a gassafe engineer .

better done by a sparks. more chance of doing it right.

pirate · Mar 19, 2022

Years ago i had no worries working with gas installations on boats. gas cylinder usually in a vented outside locker, flexible rubber-type pipe from regulator to copper pipe, 2 jubilee clips...copper pipe throughout the boat to the cooker, short length of rubber pipe to connect the cooker to the copper pipe. Always checked for tightness, and cylinder turned off when not in use. Nowadays their are so many regs for such installations, despite the minuscule number of "incidents".
When changing the gas cylinder I used a swan to check for leaks...

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