Niceic cert filling in on software programme

cliffed · Oct 4, 2020

Wondering why they isn’t a Zs box to fill in,& if Connected to origin do not fill in box.
Also altered the Rcd times,now just entering the x5 trip time.
Why is there no N-E insulation reading ,& a L-L entry,which I would take to be L-N.
Just pondering these thoughts,will phone helpline next time in office,but any ideas.

Ian1981 · Nov 12, 2020

For when it askes for the BSEN number and if you have a combination of an AFDD and RCBO then write them both in the box
62606/61009

Risteard · Nov 12, 2020

cliffed said:
Wondering why they isn’t a Zs box to fill in,& if Connected to origin do not fill in box.
Also altered the Rcd times,now just entering the x5 trip time.
Why is there no N-E insulation reading ,& a L-L entry,which I would take to be L-N.
Just pondering these thoughts,will phone helpline next time in office,but any ideas.

Live/Earth includes the neutral to Earth insulation resistance, as well as the line (phase) to Earth. Live/Live is not only phase to neutral, but also between all phases, and these to the neutral.

Risteard · Nov 12, 2020

Mike Johnson said:
It's probably the Aspergers kicking in, everything must be correct and in order, to me an RCD does not do the same job as an RCBO therefore should not be listed in the same way.

RCD is a generic term. What you are describing as an "RCD" is, in fact, an RCCB (residual current circuit breaker). This is merely one type of RCD.

Mike Johnson · Nov 12, 2020

Of course there is, but as we deal in specifics on everything else why don't we when describing the units we put into a DB?

Grant1987 · Nov 12, 2020

Mike Johnson said:
So why do we recommend an all RCBO board and not a all RCD board?

This is my point I don’t do an all rcbo board I do a split load rcd but I see the pros and cons of both, on the test form if it’s rcbos you will enter each rcbo reading individually normally round about the same, and then rcd covering few circuits is the same for each circuit

Ian1981 · Nov 13, 2020

I write the rccb in the circuit column if it’s a split load board, 61008, it’s current rating etc then I record only one rcd trip time measurement,I do not repeat the measurement to correspond to each circuit, for the column that covers 60898 devices I put N/A as it’s an mcb and not an rcbo.

loz2754 · Nov 13, 2020

Ian1981 said:
I write the rccb in the circuit column if it’s a split load board, 61008, it’s current rating etc then I record only one rcd trip time measurement,I do not repeat the measurement to correspond to each circuit, for the column that covers 60898 devices I put N/A as it’s an mcb and not an rcbo.

I've seen this done before. Surely though we are recording the circuit details on each line, not just the device details. Every circuit under the RCD is protected by the RCD and therefore it is appropriate to enter the I delta n, and trip time on each of these circuits.
That's how I see it anyway.

Ian1981 · Nov 13, 2020

loz2754 said:
I've seen this done before. Surely though we are recording the circuit details on each line, not just the device details. Every circuit under the RCD is protected by the RCD and therefore it is appropriate to enter the I delta n, and trip time on each of these circuits.
That's how I see it anyway.

I do record each circuit on each line but above I record the rccb, it’s rating, it’s I delta N etc then the circuits it protects underneath with its circuit number. One rcd, one trip time measurement, it’s just the way I do it, I used to do it that way before.
If they are rcbos then there’s an rcd trip time for each circuit corresponding to each line.

loz2754 · Nov 13, 2020

Ian1981 said:
I do record each circuit on each line but above I record the rccb, it’s rating, it’s I delta N etc then the circuits it protects underneath with its circuit number. One rcd, one trip time measurement, it’s just the way I do it, I used to do it that way before.
If they are rcbos then there’s an rcd trip time for each circuit corresponding to each line.

So how do you show on the circuit schedule that the circuits following the RCD are in fact RCD protected?
Do you record the RCD as something like "RCD for circuits 5 to 10"?

Ian1981 · Nov 13, 2020

loz2754 said:
So how do you show on the circuit schedule that the circuits following the RCD are in fact RCD protected?

Because I write the circuits underneath, then if there’s another rcd the other circuits are written under that one,
Just how I do it, by no means am I suggesting that it’s the be all and end all of doing it, as long as the information is recorded.

loz2754 · Nov 13, 2020

Ian1981 said:
Because I write the circuits underneath, then if there’s another rcd the other circuits are written under that one,

For me that's not clear enough for someone else to interpret. Each to his own way I guess.

Ian1981 · Nov 13, 2020

loz2754 said:
For me that's not clear enough for someone else to interpret. Each to his own way I guess.

The other way it’s written to me suggests that the circuit have individual rcd protection as you have written 30mA for each 60898 and a trip time but there’s only one or two rcd’s etc.
so to me it’s written for rcbos when they’re are not any.

Mike Johnson · Nov 14, 2020

I have looked at three different Software program's for EICR reports, the best so far is "EasyCert" on a laptop or desktop, but not on a iPhone, the screen is too small, the software itself is quite intuitive and follows logical progress, but still has the annoying tick list page's, how much of that guff is really needed or even read by anyone that come's after? I suppose if you are that person that comes after and find a fault it may be useful, but then again you are going to do the whole tests yourself and not take a lot of notice of previous tests, or are you?

Risteard · Nov 14, 2020

I don't believe that the ticks lists have any real merit and need a serious rethink. I'd be more in favour of a simple declaration that the works have been verified in accordance with the Standard and comply fully with it. This would not affect how the initial verification is carried out, but I think the paperwork is out of control.

Mike Johnson · Nov 14, 2020

Risteard said:
I don't believe that the ticks lists have any real merit and need a serious rethink. I'd be more in favour of a simple declaration that the works have been verified in accordance with the Standard and comply fully with it. This would not affect how the initial verification is carried out, but I think the paperwork is out of control.

I think the whole of the legislation is out of control, can anyone answer "Why Part P"?

Mike Johnson · Nov 14, 2020

And while I'm at it, why, after a Millennia did a "Ring Main" become a "Final Ring Circuit"?

Grant1987 · Nov 14, 2020

Ian1981 said:
I write the rccb in the circuit column if it’s a split load board, 61008, it’s current rating etc then I record only one rcd trip time measurement,I do not repeat the measurement to correspond to each circuit, for the column that covers 60898 devices I put N/A as it’s an mcb and not an rcbo.

That’s pretty much what I said apart from the N/A if it’s 5 circuits on same rcd I repeat the 5 readings on 5 mcbs. If there are 5 rcbos then the 5 readings will be recorded independently

NANNETTS · May 5, 2022

Ian1981 said:
Because I write the circuits underneath, then if there’s another rcd the other circuits are written under that one,
Just how I do it, by no means am I suggesting that it’s the be all and end all of doing it, as long as the information is recorded.

Totally agree with you here. I was thinking how to record this and came up with the same idea.