Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

Darkwood · Mar 21, 2015

Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.

[ElectriciansForums.net] Dodgy trade pictures for your amusement! - 1 Million Views!

I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago.

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mainline · Sep 14, 2022

Aaron b said:
I started fitting some Knightsbridge spots earlier but this it how it looks when the cover goes on...
I expected better from them and can't see how they can sell them in Europe.

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Does this go into any sort of enclosure ?

nicebutdim · Sep 14, 2022

mainline said:
Does this go into any sort of enclosure ?

My guess is the ceiling void.

freddo · Sep 14, 2022

mainline said:
Does this go into any sort of enclosure ?

Tape is an enclosure right?

timhoward · Sep 14, 2022

I won't fit those ones. I looked into this a little once. The instruction manual for a Knightsbridge RDB1 refers to BS7671 and includes the step "replace terminal cover". Quite simply, there isn't one! It looks as though it is designed to have one but all you get is this:

They shouldn't be allowed to be sold in the UK IMHO.

Aaron b · Sep 14, 2022

I had the client replace them with some KSR ones that I normally install. I've been caught a few times with bad light fittings but I thought these were going to be better being a brand I knew of.

mainline · Sep 14, 2022

freddo said:
Tape is an enclosure right?

Tape is very diy mate Tupperware is the way to go.

Dustydazzler · Sep 14, 2022

I did a job recently and the customer got around 60 chrome downlights off the interweb and the connections were exactly like above , there was no way possible to enclose the cores in the connection lid it was made in such a way the cores ( around 18mm) were on display...

I got a role of black insulation tape and wrapped the connectors in black tape , called myself a rough house badger all the way home but job is done now

DPG · Sep 14, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
I did a job recently and the customer got around 60 chrome downlights off the interweb and the connections were exactly like above , there was no way possible to enclose the cores in the connection lid it was made in such a way the cores ( around 18mm) were on display...

I got a role of black insulation tape and wrapped the connectors in black tape , called myself a rough house badger all the way home but job is done now

Delroy would be proud

mainline · Sep 14, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
I did a job recently and the customer got around 60 chrome downlights off the interweb and the connections were exactly like above , there was no way possible to enclose the cores in the connection lid it was made in such a way the cores ( around 18mm) were on display...

I got a role of black insulation tape and wrapped the connectors in black tape , called myself a rough house badger all the way home but job is done now

I can imagine in a few years time pics of them being uploaded on here, probably by Del

Edit: I see DPG had the same thoughts.

mainline · Sep 14, 2022

DPG said:
Delroy would be proud

Only if he used normal tape as Del hasn't heard of dat self amangomatin stuff.

Dustydazzler · Sep 14, 2022

Believe me I had uncle Del in my head saying 'no way , no was a qualified electrician done that'

But the fittings were made in such a way that the lid had a gap in it around 17/18mm where the cores were on show, just like in the picture above

Short of dismantling the whole things and somehow making my own connection enclosures, tape was the next best I could do as the job was over running and I really didn't want to go back

Dustydazzler · Sep 14, 2022

But how to you then re-attach the metal strap ?

Mike Johnson · Sep 14, 2022

Cut the strap off and twist a new piece of Yellow Green onto the existing, job done.

James · Sep 14, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
I did a job recently and the customer got around 60 chrome downlights off the interweb and the connections were exactly like above , there was no way possible to enclose the cores in the connection lid it was made in such a way the cores ( around 18mm) were on display...

I got a role of black insulation tape and wrapped the connectors in black tape , called myself a rough house badger all the way home but job is done now

Honestly, why did you not just say NO, I am not fitting them?

westward10 · Sep 14, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
Believe me I had uncle Del in my head saying 'no way , no was a qualified electrician done that'

But the fittings were made in such a way that the lid had a gap in it around 17/18mm where the cores were on show, just like in the picture above

Short of dismantling the whole things and somehow making my own connection enclosures, tape was the next best I could do as the job was over running and I really didn't want to go back

What did insulation tape achieve, nothing. If you had any integrity you would not have done this let alone admit to it.

Dustydazzler · Sep 14, 2022

James said:
Honestly, why did you not just say NO, I am not fitting them?

In hindsight I probably should have refused to fit them / told them to get another electrician if they wanted them fitted but it was one of them jobs ( friend of the family ) where I just wanted to get the job finished and move on

westward10 · Sep 14, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
In hindsight I probably should have refused to fit them but it was one of them jobs ( friend of the family ) where I just wanted to get the job finished and move on

What difference does that make, none.

Dustydazzler · Sep 14, 2022

The tape covers the gap in the supplied connection point where the cores are visible , once taped up you can not see the cores unless you unwind all the tape

Dustydazzler · Sep 14, 2022

I'm sure one day a photo of one of the lights will end up on here and will be described as a proper DIY job for which I will neither confirm or deny if it was one of my lights

westward10 · Sep 14, 2022

Dustydazzler said:
The tape covers the gap in the supplied connection point where the cores are visible , once taped up you can not see the cores unless you unwind all the tape

If you think insulation tape provides mechanical protection for conductor insulation which is what the cable sheath is for then maybe you spend too much time on YouTube. Saying you cannot see the cores is a somewhat bizarre comment.

ipf · Sep 14, 2022

Mike Johnson said:
Or throw the connector away and put a Wago and box on the fitting, a bit like this perhaps, and why anyone would use a non fire rated fitting is beyond me, no matter what the regs say.
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First look, that favoured a badly wired, single way, 3 phase fuse box , fixed to the wall.

Mike Johnson · Sep 14, 2022

ipf said:
First look, that favoured a badly wired, single way, 3 phase fuse box , fixed to the wall.

It says Wago 294 on it ?

Aaron b · Sep 15, 2022

Mike Johnson said:
Or throw the connector away and put a Wago and box on the fitting, a bit like this perhaps, and why anyone would use a non fire rated fitting is beyond me, no matter what the regs say.
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I thought of using the click flow connectors but I didn't want to take responsibility for the product when there was a better solution available and if besides I didn't have enough in the van.

freddo · Sep 15, 2022

Aaron b said:
I thought of using the click flow connectors but I didn't want to take responsibility for the product when there was a better solution available and if besides I didn't have enough in the van.

I've now switched to Quickwire T connectors, they are so much better IMO.

Aaron b · Sep 15, 2022

freddo said:
I've now switched to Quickwire T connectors, they are so much better IMO.

I am going to try them. Rexel don't list them but I will see if they can get some in or order them online.

What do you like better about them? I assume they are a bit smaller. I usually use the click ones for bathroom mirrors but they are fairly bulky for the space available.

I've been using a few of the switch and load connectors too recently.