Safely split ceiling lamp for three bulbs.

nicebutdim · Nov 7, 2022

Spools said:
You’d be surprised the trouble I have working my hobbies in Austria. There’s a boat load of rules and regulations when working on autos.

They don’t have nearly the same amount or similiar products for wood working at the local OBI (Home Depot.) I’ll have to go to a speciality store outside the city for contractors and even then, wood conditioner doesn’t exist, I had to make my own.

Electricity wise, let’s see, I never really got my hands dirty in this realm here yet. I tried out a dimmer in the office but, for whatever reason struggled. (That’s a different post altogether.)

Wago connectors are widely used worldwide and extensively within Europe. While not all connectors are available in every market, I'd be confident that 773 (push fit for solid/coarse stranded conductors), 2273 (compact push fit for solid conductors) and 221 (lever type for solid/coarse stranded/fine stranded) ranges are available to you.

Edit: Also worth looking at their 224 range, which is specifically intended for lighting.

Spools · Nov 7, 2022

nicebutdim said:
Wago connectors are widely used worldwide and extensively within Europe. While not all connectors are available in every market, I'd be confident that 773 (push fit for solid/coarse stranded conductors), 2273 (compact push fit for solid conductors) and 221 (lever type for solid/coarse stranded/fine stranded) ranges are available to you.

Edit: Also worth looking at their 224 range, which is specifically intended for lighting.

Thanks man.

This would all be easiest with a keyword or link for purchase. Anyone know of one?

I seem to be 'asking' 'researching' the wrong question when seeking this push connector/splitter online.
For example here, but I'm only finding one to one connectors.

Avo Mk8 · Nov 7, 2022

Spools said:
Thanks man.

This would all be easiest with a keyword or link for purchase. Anyone know of one?

I seem to be 'asking' 'researching' the wrong question when seeking this push connector/splitter online.
For example here, but I'm only finding one to one connectors.

Just type"Wago" and select the one you want!
and follow that with a number from post #16 if you want to narrow it down.

WAGO 222–415 gs605uk Hebel Cage Clamp Terminal Block Anschlüsse – Grau (5 Stück) : Amazon.de: Baumarkt

www.amazon.de

Or If you have solid conductors:

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Pack-2273-204-Compact-Connection-Terminals/dp/B07PF4GKSH/ref=d_bmx_dp_7f7q24ln_sccl_3_3/257-6100413-5894555?

nicebutdim · Nov 7, 2022

Spools said:
Thanks man.

This would all be easiest with a keyword or link for purchase. Anyone know of one?

I seem to be 'asking' 'researching' the wrong question when seeking this push connector/splitter online.
For example here, but I'm only finding one to one connectors.

As above - google 'Wago' followed by the range number and you then just select the number of ways you need (i.e. the number of individual wires that need to be connected in common).

Spools · Nov 7, 2022

Avo Mk8 said:
Just type"Wago" and select the one you want!
and follow that with a number from post #16 if you want to narrow it down.

WAGO 222–415 gs605uk Hebel Cage Clamp Terminal Block Anschlüsse – Grau (5 Stück) : Amazon.de: Baumarkt

WAGO 222–415 gs605uk Hebel Cage Clamp Terminal Block Anschlüsse – Grau (5 Stück) : Amazon.de: Baumarkt

www.amazon.de

Or If you have solid conductors:

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Pack-2273-204-Compact-Connection-Terminals/dp/B07PF4GKSH/ref=d_bmx_dp_7f7q24ln_sccl_3_3/257-6100413-5894555?

Is the Amazon.de though going to suit my splitting needs? My naive self was envisioning more of a “spliter” configuration.

With the Amazon.de link here, would I be able to place L from the ceiling in one end and appropriately power three separate L for three bulbs on the other?

(I was under the impression that these connections were one to one where each of the four were separated. One for L, N, G…)

nicebutdim · Nov 7, 2022

Spools said:
Is the Amazon.de though going to suit my splitting needs? My naive self was envisioning more of a “spliter” configuration.

With the Amazon.de link here, would I be able to place L from the ceiling in one end and appropriately power three separate L for three bulbs on the other?

(I was under the impression that these connections were one to one where each of the four were separated. One for L, N, G…)

Yes you would use one connector for each conductor being spilt and place them in a suitable enclosure - dependent, of course, on Austrian wiring regulations. If splitting in three directions, then each incoming conductor would go in its own 4 way connector.

While ready made solutions exist, we don't know what sort of cable is being used and I'd be inclined to avoid no-name splitters sold on Amazon or eBay.

Avo Mk8 · Nov 8, 2022

Spools said:
Is the Amazon.de though going to suit my splitting needs? My naive self was envisioning more of a “spliter” configuration.

You are making it more complicated than it is.
Each Wago just connects all the incoming/outgoing wires together.
Unless you are insanely OCD, you don't need incoming on one side and outgoing on the other. The electrons won't mind - you just need to connect all the lives, or earths, or neutrals, each with a separate Wago thus:
(example for the neutrals, you need to do the same for lives and earths!)

[ElectriciansForums.net] Safely split ceiling lamp for three bulbs.

Spools · Nov 8, 2022

Avo Mk8 said:
You are making it more complicated than it is.
Each Wago just connects all the incoming/outgoing wires together.
Unless you are insanely OCD, you don't need incoming on one side and outgoing on the other. The electrons won't mind - you just need to connect all the lives, or earths, or neutrals, each with a separate Wago thus:
(example for the neutrals, you need to do the same for lives and earths!)
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That one sentence helped me tremendously... "you don't need incoming on one side and outgoing on the other. The electrons won't mind"

And yeah, not OCD, but I am good at asking 5 questions to get 2 different confirmations on a topic I've never been proper mentored in - especially online.

So with all of that, if I were to grab two of these Wago connectors and just slam all of L in one and all of G in another, I would have me a solid set up then? As drawn in my 'professional' schematic below?

littlespark · Nov 8, 2022

No..

The neutral is used for the return path. The ground is a safety feature which should be connected to the metallic body of the fitting.

Spools · Nov 8, 2022

littlespark said:
No..

The neutral is used for the return path. The ground is a safety feature which should be connected to the metallic body of the fitting.

Duh… This is why I ask many questions.

(In fairness, I slipped up there because the electrician that ran the wiring in my apartment didn’t exactly stick to the same color throughout)

But yes, you’re* absolutely right.

So, I’m swapping N for G in my schematic above, then I’m good to go?
(Ground cable is essentially “not used” for all light fixtures in the house)

Avo Mk8 · Nov 8, 2022

Spools said:
(Ground cable is essentially “not used” for all light fixtures in the house)

That is not the case in the UK. Regulations require the ground to be fed to each ceiling box where there will be a light. Then (in general terms), if a householder puts a metal light fitting up, they can connect the earth terminal on the fitting to the ground wire.
If any of your lights have a ground terminal then it should be used.
So if there are ground wires in your cables/conduit they should be connected together in a Wago just as the live and neutral will be.
I don't know what your regulations are on earthing, but it is a safety feature that you shouldn't ignore if it's supposed to be there!

And PS swapping N for G in your schematic is correct

Spools · Nov 8, 2022

Makes sense.
In my truck, everything is always grounded.

Here, the ground cable is accessible, but hasn’t been used in any light fixtures in the apartment to date. As I’m the example of this unit here:

Spools · Nov 9, 2022

Cool. Just got 25 pieces for 12euros. Good stuff:

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/dp/B0107SYYGU?psc=1&smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&ref_=chk_typ_imgToDp

Spools · Nov 10, 2022

Alright - Lamps arrived. They have grounds.
Can I just connect their grounds to the ground in the ceiling *assuming that's grounded on the other end?

brianmoooore · Nov 10, 2022

Spools said:
*assuming that's grounded on the other end?

You're working under Austrian rules, but in the UK that assumption needs to be checked with the appropriate test equipment.

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