UK Do I need to update my 18th edition for Amendment 2 ?

Ventricular Fibrillation · Aug 18, 2022

Got my 18th Ed certificate late last year, now doing 2391. Obviously Amendment 2 has come out since then, and I see these courses available to update your 18th accordingly.
But at what point would this be needed? I assume it's not a legal requirement. If I got my 2391 and NVQ in the next year and applied for a gold card, would my 18th cert be classed as not current unless I update it? Thanks.

Brian Taylor · Nov 15, 2022

DPG said:
I'm guessing you may not be up to date with requirements as far as notifiable jobs and Part P are concerned. I would have a Google search - easier than me trying to explain and thus confusing things!

Yes you're correct I am very confused....I suspect you may be a good deal higher on the electrical job scale than me and thus require these new qualifications...but thankyou for your help and advice

DPG · Nov 15, 2022

Brian Taylor said:
Yes you're correct I am very confused....I suspect you may be a good deal higher on the electrical job scale than me and thus require these new qualifications...but thankyou for your help and advice

Part P and the schemes aren't qualifications. Part P is something that electricians have to comply with, and the schemes (NICEIC etc) provide notification services that assist with this.

Of course you can notify building control each time you need to, but some councils charge a fortune.

default · Nov 15, 2022

Brian Taylor said:
I'm not signed up with anyone...should I be?

Are you new to domestic work, ie, where you commercial or industrial for a long time. Part P has been a thing for a long time and you need it in domestic work, unless all you do is change bedroom lights. If a client or employer has an issue and takes you to court you won't have a leg to stand on no matter how good the install and testing is.

Lister1987 · Nov 15, 2022

Brian Taylor said:
Yes you're correct I am very confused....I suspect you may be a good deal higher on the electrical job scale than me and thus require these new qualifications...but thankyou for your help and advice

Part P of Building Regulations 2010 relates to electrical safety and, amount other things requires that certain tasks are 'notified' to Building Control (LABC), this is meant to serve as an oversight and gives them the ability to check the work is to the required standard.

Scheme providers such as NICEIC & NAPIT have systems in place whereby they will handle that notification for you, for a nominal fee.

You can read more on Part P here; Electrical safety: Approved Document P - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electrical-safety-approved-document-p

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Brian Taylor · Nov 15, 2022

DPG said:
Part P and the schemes aren't qualifications. Part P is something that electricians have to comply with, and the schemes (NICEIC etc) provide notification services that assist with this.

Of course you can notify building control each time you need to, but some councils charge a fortune.

Yes I'm sure they do....but as I don't notify anyone ...whatever that means it shouldn't cost me anything.....this has never been a problem before for me in all the years of doing electrical jobs. I must admit from what you've said that this could open a very large can of worms for some electricians.

Lister1987 · Nov 15, 2022

You can find more information about Building Regulations here; Building regulation - GOV.UK - https://www.gov.uk/housing-local-and-community/building-regulation

Brian Taylor · Nov 15, 2022

default said:
Are you new to domestic work, ie, where you commercial or industrial for a long time. Part P has been a thing for a long time and you need it in domestic work, unless all you do is change bedroom lights. If a client or employer has an issue and takes you to court you won't have a leg to stand on no matter how good the install and testing is.

Been doing it for about 40 years now...not sure why I should be taken to court over anything....what would anyone gain from that?

DPG · Nov 15, 2022

Brian Taylor said:
Yes I'm sure they do....but as I don't notify anyone ...whatever that means it shouldn't cost me anything.....this has never been a problem before for me in all the years of doing electrical jobs. I must admit from what you've said that this could open a very large can of worms for some electricians.

Just so I'm clear, you've been doing electrical work, including new circuits and consumer units, for years without notifying anybody?

Why do you think it 'shouldn't cost you anything' ?

It seems a bit dodgy that you don't want to pay money to notify work, and you don't want to pay money to take courses.

Presumably you do issues EICs and MW certs for the work though?

Lister1987 · Nov 15, 2022

Brian Taylor said:
Yes I'm sure they do....but as I don't notify anyone ...whatever that means it shouldn't cost me anything.....this has never been a problem before for me in all the years of doing electrical jobs. I must admit from what you've said that this could open a very large can of worms for ~~some electricians~~ me.

Fixed that for you squire.

Brian Taylor · Nov 15, 2022

DPG said:
Just so I'm clear, you've been doing electrical work, including new circuits and consumer units, for years without notifying anybody?

Why do you think it 'shouldn't cost you anything' ?

It seems a bit dodgy that you don't want to pay money to notify work, and you don't want to pay money to take courses.

No just didn't know about the new requirements...as far as I'm aware I've got my C&G certificate that says I'm an electrician..so no problem as far as I can see...
Many be I'm incorrect in that thinking

DPG · Nov 15, 2022

Brian Taylor said:
No just didn't know about the new requirements...as far as I'm aware I've got my C&G certificate that says I'm an electrician..so no problem as far as I can see...
Many be I'm incorrect in that thinking

Do you issue EICs and MW certs though?

Rapskallion · Nov 15, 2022

Find it very hard to believe that somebody with 40 years electrical experience is oblivious about anything to do with Part P and notifying domestic works, unless of course you are just an employee and your employer takes care of all this

but i hope you find the information you are looking for, all the best.

Brian Taylor · Nov 15, 2022

Lister1987 said:
Fixed that for you squire.

No I was correct in my first statement...as far as I know non of the electricians that I know are aware of these requirements

default · Nov 15, 2022

Brian Taylor said:
Been doing it for about 40 years now...not sure why I should be taken to court over anything....what would anyone gain from that

Brian Taylor said:
Been doing it for about 40 years now...not sure why I should be taken to court over anything....what would anyone gain from that?

I mean if something went wrong, not saying it would. If I had work done then got a bad shock or my kids did and then found out your not registered to any governing body I'd take you for all you've got. These schemes are there to protect you. And if you haven't updated your knowledge in 40 years God knows what your doing.

DPG · Nov 15, 2022

This thread is a bit scary. I don't intend being rude but I really think you should check what the requirements of an electrician are. It's in your own interests to be honest.