Approved tradesmen scheme

dunscombe · Sep 6, 2023

Hi, as I’m trying to grow my little business I keep coming across many obstacles namely trying to join a competent trade scheme. NAPIT seem to be the only one that suit my current situation.. has anyone any experience with these people as I’m finding it difficult to say the least! Or can anyone recommend an alternative. I don’t have my testing and inspecting ticket which rules my out of NICEIC!!

I need something in place to get my work notified to council

DPG · Sep 6, 2023

I thought all the schemes wanted a testing and inspection qualification these days, but other people will be able to confirm. Have you confirmed with NAPIT what their requirements are?

rewireIT · Sep 6, 2023

Ask napit.

If you need testing and inspection you'll probably only need the initial.

timhoward · Sep 6, 2023

The goal posts seem to keep moving, and you need to talk to Napit who I found very helpful when I was in a similar position.

My understanding is that the current position is that an NVQ level 3 plus 18th Edition will get you able to notify domestic work but not carry out EICRs under the schemes umbrella. Doing 2391-52 on top gets you ability to do EICRs under the scheme's name.

I think the non-negotiable part is now the NVQ 3. Possibly 2391-51 too.

Please do post back as it would be good to clarify the current position.
It's certainly no 'walk in the park' these days.

rewireIT · Sep 6, 2023

timhoward said:
The goal posts seem to keep moving, and you need to talk to Napit who I found very helpful when I was in a similar position.

My understanding is that the current position is that an NVQ level 3 plus 18th Edition will get you able to notify domestic work but not carry out EICRs under the schemes umbrella. Doing 2391-52 on top gets you ability to do EICRs under the scheme's name.

I think the non-negotiable part is now the NVQ 3. Possibly 2391-51 too.

Please do post back as it would be good to clarify the current position.
It's certainly no 'walk in the park' these days.

I rang them a while back. It's nvq and am2, which you can't get without your 18th and initial testing. Napit have courses you can go on if you want to be a domestic installer.

DPG · Sep 6, 2023

Makes sense that the schemes want to see 18th edition and test and a inspection course.

dunscombe · Sep 6, 2023

timhoward said:
The goal posts seem to keep moving, and you need to talk to Napit who I found very helpful when I was in a similar position.

My understanding is that the current position is that an NVQ level 3 plus 18th Edition will get you able to notify domestic work but not carry out EICRs under the schemes umbrella. Doing 2391-52 on top gets you ability to do EICRs under the scheme's name.

I think the non-negotiable part is now the NVQ 3. Possibly 2391-51 too.

Please do post back as it would be good to clarify the current position.
It's certainly no 'walk in the park' these days.

dunscombe · Sep 6, 2023

timhoward said:
The goal posts seem to keep moving, and you need to talk to Napit who I found very helpful when I was in a similar position.

My understanding is that the current position is that an NVQ level 3 plus 18th Edition will get you able to notify domestic work but not carry out EICRs under the schemes umbrella. Doing 2391-52 on top gets you ability to do EICRs under the scheme's name.

I think the non-negotiable part is now the NVQ 3. Possibly 2391-51 too.

Please do post back as it would be good to clarify the current position.
It's certainly no 'walk in the park' these days.

Hi please see attached this will get me domestic only need testing and inspecting for commercial

timhoward · Sep 6, 2023

dunscombe said:
Hi please see attached this will get me domestic only need testing and inspecting for commercial

That was my understanding, thanks.
The irony of course is that you only actually need them for domestic installation work.

(Unless you do PV, or want to spend your life arguing with landlords regarding PRS testing )

If I had a pound for every time I've wondered about not bothering....my issue is that if I leave I won't get back in as I only have 16th, 18th, 2391 and their own 7232 which at a particular moment in time was enough to be welcomed into the club.

dunscombe · Sep 6, 2023

timhoward said:
That was my understanding, thanks.
The irony of course is that you only actually need them for domestic installation work.

(Unless you do PV, or want to spend your life arguing with landlords regarding PRS testing )

If I had a pound for every time I've wondered about not bothering....my issue is that if I leave I won't get back in as I only have 16th, 18th, 2391 and their own 7232 which at a particular moment in time was enough to be welcomed into the club.

So it turns out my NVQ 3 covers part of the testing and inspecting course so I only need to do 2391-51 course to top up for now.

rewireIT · Sep 6, 2023

timhoward said:
That was my understanding, thanks.
The irony of course is that you only actually need them for domestic installation work.

(Unless you do PV, or want to spend your life arguing with landlords regarding PRS testing )

If I had a pound for every time I've wondered about not bothering....my issue is that if I leave I won't get back in as I only have 16th, 18th, 2391 and their own 7232 which at a particular moment in time was enough to be welcomed into the club.

Could always do your nvq in that situation. Could do it in a couple of months easily.

Tbh if I was a housebasher I wouldn't give them my money, total scam.

DPG · Sep 6, 2023

rewireIT said:
Could always do your nvq in that situation. Could do it in a couple of months easily.

Tbh if I was a housebasher I wouldn't give them my money, total scam.

He needs to be able to notify work. Yes, he could do it himself, but then he would be paying big fees to the LA building control.

oscar21 · Sep 6, 2023

As I said on the other thread (JIB), its all about the money, change the goal posts every few years and kerching, more expensive update courses, more money down the drain and all to feed the coffers of desk jockeys getting rich of our back breaking work, absolute parasites.

I wonder how many decent older sparks say within 10-15 years of retirement will say I cant be bothered with this circus any more and just get a job delivering for Tesco's instead. Not that many younger ones coming through anymore so you are left with the idiots who cant do a decent job or the idiots that are willing to give every penny they earn to someone else.

DPG · Sep 6, 2023

oscar21 said:
As I said on the other thread (JIB), its all about the money, change the goal posts every few years and kerching, more expensive update courses, more money down the drain and all to feed the coffers of desk jockeys getting rich of our back breaking work, absolute parasites.

I wonder how many decent older sparks say within 10-15 years of retirement will say I cant be bothered with this circus any more and just get a job delivering for Tesco's instead. Not that many younger ones coming through anymore so you are left with the idiots who cant do a decent job or the idiots that are willing to give every penny they earn to someone else.

You only need to keep up to date with stuff though. As in many professions. Part of your CPF really.

Admittedly if you leave a scheme and rejoin a few years later then the requirements may have changed. But such is life. And don't forget many people on here have been saying for a good while now that the schemes should be more stringent about who can join.

Risteard · Sep 6, 2023

oscar21 said:
As I said on the other thread (JIB), its all about the money, change the goal posts every few years and kerching, more expensive update courses, more money down the drain and all to feed the coffers of desk jockeys getting rich of our back breaking work, absolute parasites.

I wonder how many decent older sparks say within 10-15 years of retirement will say I cant be bothered with this circus any more and just get a job delivering for Tesco's instead. Not that many younger ones coming through anymore so you are left with the idiots who cant do a decent job or the idiots that are willing to give every penny they earn to someone else.

To be fair the JIB has been remarkably consistent about Gold Card requirements, and fairly inexpensive too.

rewireIT · Sep 6, 2023

DPG said:
He needs to be able to notify work. Yes, he could do it himself, but then he would be paying big fees to the LA building control.

I am absolutely comfortable with not notifying. It makes zero difference to anything including the standard of the work.

rewireIT · Sep 6, 2023

oscar21 said:
As I said on the other thread (JIB), its all about the money, change the goal posts every few years and kerching, more expensive update courses, more money down the drain and all to feed the coffers of desk jockeys getting rich of our back breaking work, absolute parasites.

I wonder how many decent older sparks say within 10-15 years of retirement will say I cant be bothered with this circus any more and just get a job delivering for Tesco's instead. Not that many younger ones coming through anymore so you are left with the idiots who cant do a decent job or the idiots that are willing to give every penny they earn to someone else.

To be fair, up my end absolutely everyone is struggling for sparks. Rates have gone through the roof too compared to the last couple of years.

DPG · Sep 6, 2023

rewireIT said:
I am absolutely comfortable with not notifying. It makes zero difference to anything including the standard of the work.

Its a requirement of the profession. I've just spoken to a mate of mine who's gas safe - he has a different opinion to you.

The MOT guy says he just tests cars and doesn't notify anyone. Says it's all the same.

Each to their own.

rewireIT · Sep 6, 2023

DPG said:
Its a requirement of the profession. I've just spoken to a mate of mine who's gas safe - he has a different opinion to you.

The MOT guy says he just tests cars and doesn't notify anyone. Says it's all the same.

Each to their own.

Those things are exactly the same as not telling the council you did some work. Exactly the same, lol. Notifying is a giant hoax and people like you allow them to perpetuate it against hard working tradesmen. The only argument you can give for notifying being necessary is 'because they told us to'.

As if you told your mate about my comment too.

DPG · Sep 6, 2023

rewireIT said:
Those things are exactly the same as not telling the council you did some work. Exactly the same, lol. Notifying is a giant hoax and people like you allow them to perpetuate it against hard working tradesmen. The only argument you can give for notifying being necessary is 'because they told us to'.

As if you told your mate about my comment too.

Wow, I think we're full on conspiracy theory here.

Obviously the conversation with 'my mate' was made up yes. It was a turn of phrase. Obviously.

LukeD · Sep 6, 2023

rewireIT said:
Those things are exactly the same as not telling the council you did some work. Exactly the same, lol. Notifying is a giant hoax and people like you allow them to perpetuate it against hard working tradesmen. The only argument you can give for notifying being necessary is 'because they told us to'.

As if you told your mate about my comment too.

Ive said irt and many others also...Its a all a joke .The system is pathetic in this country

DPG · Sep 6, 2023

LukeD said:
Ive said irt and many others also...Its a all a joke .The system is pathetic in this country

The electrical systems and regulations are much better in other countries of course. Ermm, right I can name you a lot of countries that are worse than our system. Or VERY worse.

nicebutdim · Sep 6, 2023

rewireIT said:
If electrics are done properly and tested properly i see zero reason to notify outside of 'because they tell us to.'

And if your granny had balls, she'd have been your grandad.

If people could be relied upon to do all manner of things properly, there'd be less argument in favour of regulation. People tinker with stuff they shouldn't. People drive cars in a dangerous condition, because the next MOT isn't due yet. Trades turn out rough work because they can get away with it.

westward10 · Sep 6, 2023

Can we keep this friendly please or certain members will be removed from the thread.

oscar21 · Sep 6, 2023

DPG said:
Wow, I think we're full on conspiracy theory here.

Obviously the conversation with 'my mate' was made up yes. It was a turn of phrase. Obviously.

You cant call him a conspiracy theorist and then say you made half of it up. He is of course right though, if you get work done and don't notify it zero will happen about it, no enforcement, nothing. thousands of notifiable building works go unchecked every single day from a replacement window to a full extension, the councils have neither the resources or the interest to follow any of them up.

The only reason part P is asked for so much is because the media propaganda has reported that you will be unable to sell your house if you haven't got all the required paperwork in order which includes electrical sign offs, the scammers have spent the budget on scare stories instead of actually improving the sector. This is of course rubbish, at least 40% of house buyers are cash buyers and they can buy whatever they want cert or no cert and as for the other 60%, well I'd be surprised if too many mortgage companies wer that arsed either,