Approved tradesmen scheme

[dunscombe]

Hi, as I’m trying to grow my little business I keep coming across many obstacles namely trying to join a competent trade scheme. NAPIT seem to be the only one that suit my current situation.. has anyone any experience with these people as I’m finding it difficult to say the least! Or can anyone recommend an alternative. I don’t have my testing and inspecting ticket which rules my out of NICEIC!! I need something in place to get my work notified to council

 

[rewireIT]

He needs to be able to notify work. Yes, he could do it himself, but then he would be paying big fees to the LA building control.

I am absolutely comfortable with not notifying. It makes zero difference to anything including the standard of the work.

 

[rewireIT]

As I said on the other thread (JIB), its all about the money, change the goal posts every few years and kerching, more expensive update courses, more money down the drain and all to feed the coffers of desk jockeys getting rich of our back breaking work, absolute parasites.

I wonder how many decent older sparks say within 10-15 years of retirement will say I cant be bothered with this circus any more and just get a job delivering for Tesco's instead. Not that many younger ones coming through anymore so you are left with the idiots who cant do a decent job or the idiots that are willing to give every penny they earn to someone else.

To be fair, up my end absolutely everyone is struggling for sparks. Rates have gone through the roof too compared to the last couple of years.

 

[DPG]

I am absolutely comfortable with not notifying. It makes zero difference to anything including the standard of the work.

Its a requirement of the profession. I've just spoken to a mate of mine who's gas safe - he has a different opinion to you.

The MOT guy says he just tests cars and doesn't notify anyone. Says it's all the same.

Each to their own.

 

[rewireIT]

Its a requirement of the profession. I've just spoken to a mate of mine who's gas safe - he has a different opinion to you.

The MOT guy says he just tests cars and doesn't notify anyone. Says it's all the same.

Each to their own.

Those things are exactly the same as not telling the council you did some work. Exactly the same, lol. Notifying is a giant hoax and people like you allow them to perpetuate it against hard working tradesmen. The only argument you can give for notifying being necessary is 'because they told us to'.

As if you told your mate about my comment too.

 

[DPG]

Those things are exactly the same as not telling the council you did some work. Exactly the same, lol. Notifying is a giant hoax and people like you allow them to perpetuate it against hard working tradesmen. The only argument you can give for notifying being necessary is 'because they told us to'.

As if you told your mate about my comment too.

Wow, I think we're full on conspiracy theory here.

Obviously the conversation with 'my mate' was made up yes. It was a turn of phrase. Obviously.

 

[LukeD]

Those things are exactly the same as not telling the council you did some work. Exactly the same, lol. Notifying is a giant hoax and people like you allow them to perpetuate it against hard working tradesmen. The only argument you can give for notifying being necessary is 'because they told us to'.

As if you told your mate about my comment too.

Ive said irt and many others also...Its a all a joke .The system is pathetic in this country

 

[DPG]

Ive said irt and many others also...Its a all a joke .The system is pathetic in this country

The electrical systems and regulations are much better in other countries of course. Ermm, right I can name you a lot of countries that are worse than our system. Or VERY worse.

 

[nicebutdim]

If electrics are done properly and tested properly i see zero reason to notify outside of 'because they tell us to.'

And if your granny had balls, she'd have been your grandad.

If people could be relied upon to do all manner of things properly, there'd be less argument in favour of regulation. People tinker with stuff they shouldn't. People drive cars in a dangerous condition, because the next MOT isn't due yet. Trades turn out rough work because they can get away with it.

 

[westward10]

Can we keep this friendly please or certain members will be removed from the thread.

 

[oscar21]

Wow, I think we're full on conspiracy theory here.

Obviously the conversation with 'my mate' was made up yes. It was a turn of phrase. Obviously.

You cant call him a conspiracy theorist and then say you made half of it up. He is of course right though, if you get work done and don't notify it zero will happen about it, no enforcement, nothing. thousands of notifiable building works go unchecked every single day from a replacement window to a full extension, the councils have neither the resources or the interest to follow any of them up.

The only reason part P is asked for so much is because the media propaganda has reported that you will be unable to sell your house if you haven't got all the required paperwork in order which includes electrical sign offs, the scammers have spent the budget on scare stories instead of actually improving the sector. This is of course rubbish, at least 40% of house buyers are cash buyers and they can buy whatever they want cert or no cert and as for the other 60%, well I'd be surprised if too many mortgage companies wer that arsed either,

 

[LukeD]

You cant call him a conspiracy theorist and then say you made half of it up. He is of course right though, if you get work done and don't notify it zero will happen about it, no enforcement, nothing. thousands of notifiable building works go unchecked every single day from a replacement window to a full extension, the councils have neither the resources or the interest to follow any of them up.

The only reason part P is asked for so much is because the media propaganda has reported that you will be unable to sell your house if you haven't got all the required paperwork in order which includes electrical sign offs, the scammers have spent the budget on scare stories instead of actually improving the sector. This is of course rubbish, at least 40% of house buyers are cash buyers and they can buy whatever they want cert or no cert and as for the other 60%, well I'd be surprised if too many mortgage companies wer that arsed either,

so right..... why bother to do anything legally now ? Its 8 ladies with a packet of biscuits running the floor at NEICIC and they DONT CARE ONE BIT

 

[oscar21]

so right..... why bother to do anything legally now ? Its 8 ladies with a packet of biscuits running the floor at NEICIC and they DONT CARE ONE BIT

If anyone doesn't care its the NICEY, that much is certainly true. Look, dont shoot the messenger, I'm only telling it how it is.

 

[rewireIT]

You cant call him a conspiracy theorist and then say you made half of it up. He is of course right though, if you get work done and don't notify it zero will happen about it, no enforcement, nothing. thousands of notifiable building works go unchecked every single day from a replacement window to a full extension, the councils have neither the resources or the interest to follow any of them up.

The only reason part P is asked for so much is because the media propaganda has reported that you will be unable to sell your house if you haven't got all the required paperwork in order which includes electrical sign offs, the scammers have spent the budget on scare stories instead of actually improving the sector. This is of course rubbish, at least 40% of house buyers are cash buyers and they can buy whatever they want cert or no cert and as for the other 60%, well I'd be surprised if too many mortgage companies wer that arsed either,

100% correct. My dad did his own electrics and when he sold his very expensive house to a mortgage buyer, all that happened was he had to pay for an EICR which of course passed with flying colours. Then the house was sold. Nobody is stopping people from buying multi hundred thousand pound assets and spending large sums on fees over the electrics.

 

[rewireIT]

so right..... why bother to do anything legally now ? Its 8 ladies with a packet of biscuits running the floor at NEICIC and they DONT CARE ONE BIT

Some laws are stupid and should be ignored because the level of harm done by ignoring them is zero. Especially when the repercussions are also zero. I'm sure you've always stuck to exactly 70 when on a large empty motorway at night in perfect conditions though.

The difference between people is that if they were to suddenly claim it was the law that everyone pays 99% tax, some would simply start working cash, the compliant slaves would complain about the 'tax dodgers' and the argument essentially boils down to 'well i have to be a slave, so they should be a slave too.'

 

[mattg4321]

To be fair, the more stringent entry requirements seem to have cut down on the total cowboys operating under a scheme name near me.

I think it’s more to do with the slowing flow of Eastern European sparks for various reasons and the retiring of many older sparks and not so many young coming through, but I’ve been able to put my rates up by nearly 100% over 5 years and I’m still winning nearly every quote.