Fitting an LED Spot into a loft hatch?

thisisthecount · Oct 13, 2023

I'm looking to consider asking my electrician to fit one extra LED flush-fit spot in loft hatch so it matches the rows in the ceiling to a total of 9 (3 rows of 3). He's concerned that it won't be safe and I totally get this, but is there a way to install this with some form of strong, flexible 3-core cabling or technique? Just so when we use the hatch, its not going to cause issues?

littlespark · Oct 13, 2023

It’s possible.

A bit of flexi conduit should protect it… but it might be in the way when climbing the ladder.

What sort of downlights are they?

Some come with a separate driver that could sit in the roof space, and extend the ELV wire to the light.

thisisthecount · Oct 13, 2023

littlespark said:
It’s possible.

A bit of flexi conduit should protect it… but it might be in the way when climbing the ladder.

What sort of downlights are they?

Some come with a separate driver that could sit in the roof space, and extend the ELV wire to the light.

well when it closes, its 100% flush with the ceiling and is the exact same paint finish with minimal trim. It will line up perfectly with the middle row. Is there any safe way of doing this? They are very very slim these spots, 30mm. THey don't have drivers, just on their own and one continuous loop.

these are the spots:

https://amzn.eu/d/fPTASVO

DPG · Oct 13, 2023

It's not some I'd do, but it's possible as above.

Can't you arrange the downlights so that you don't need one there?

thisisthecount · Oct 13, 2023

DPG said:
It's not some I'd do, but it's possible as above.

Can't you arrange the downlights so that you don't need one there?

bit late now, all drilled out and ready.... ;-(

littlespark · Oct 13, 2023

If it’s the ones hanging out the ceiling, then they seem very low profile… shouldn’t be a problem even with the ladder

westward10 · Oct 13, 2023

If those are the final connections to those lights then the block connectors need enclosing and the cpcs correctly terminating.

nicebutdim · Oct 13, 2023

westward10 said:
If those are the final connections to those lights then the block connectors need enclosing and the cpcs correctly terminating.

Incredible that this needs to be related to an electrician through their customer - especially given how easily conductors slip out of those cheap push fit connectors.

davesparks · Oct 13, 2023

A flex from a suitable JB to the light will be fine, I'd probably fit a bit of ply or something behind the light to prevent it getting kicked when the ladder is used.

Also coming here and pretending that this is the work of an electrician is just daft, we can all see that those connections are not the work of any qualified person.

Penguin · Oct 13, 2023

thisisthecount said:
I'm looking to consider asking my electrician to fit one extra LED flush-fit spot in loft hatch so it matches the rows in the ceiling to a total of 9 (3 rows of 3). He's concerned that it won't be safe and I totally get this, but is there a way to install this with some form of strong, flexible 3-core cabling or technique? Just so when we use the hatch, its not going to cause issues?

We’ve had the same issue..!!!!

Firstly, ensure the circuit is RCD/O protected.

Secondly, we fitted a small ‘metal’ cage enclosure over the gubbins if the D/L showing between the loft steps.

Thirdly, we installed a double pole ‘Cabinet type Sw’ that isolated that individual DL when the Loft Lid was lowered.
(This was a FIXED loft access, not a floating loft lid).

The main issue however, WAS.!!! even though the power was ISO when the hatch was deployed and the cage was protecting the installation…. It proved a hazard when using the Loft Hatch Stairs…!!!!

We fed it with SY 1.5 3c…..

We returned 2 months later, to do more work, and on the request of the client, ended up fitting LED trip to ALL loft steps under edges , BUT EITHER side of the Hazard if the DL cage unit.

They’ve been happy and problem/ incident free,!!!!

ENSURE YOU MAKE A COMMENT on your Electrical Cert, regards possible Access, due to install, and additions to over come the issue.!

MJPD29 · Oct 13, 2023

Penguin said:
We’ve had the same issue..!!!!

Firstly, ensure the circuit is RCD/O protected.

Secondly, we fitted a small ‘metal’ cage enclosure over the gubbins if the D/L showing between the loft steps.

Thirdly, we installed a double pole ‘Cabinet type Sw’ that isolated that individual DL when the Loft Lid was lowered.
(This was a FIXED loft access, not a floating loft lid).

The main issue however, WAS.!!! even though the power was ISO when the hatch was deployed and the cage was protecting the installation…. It proved a hazard when using the Loft Hatch Stairs…!!!!

We fed it with SY 1.5 3c…..

We returned 2 months later, to do more work, and on the request of the client, ended up fitting LED trip to ALL loft steps under edges , BUT EITHER side of the Hazard if the DL cage unit.

They’ve been happy and problem/ incident free,!!!!

ENSURE YOU MAKE A COMMENT on your Electrical Cert, regards possible Access, due to install, and additions to over come the issue.!

You fed a downlight with sy? How did you terminate it?

Penguin · Oct 13, 2023

MJPD29 said:
You fed a downlight with sy? How did you terminate it?

thisisthecount · Oct 14, 2023

Thanks this is all very useful and has helped me considerably

pirate · Oct 14, 2023

There are quite a few hinges which transfer the power supply, so maybe use on the loft hatch.
This is just one example of many, and some are from very reputable manufacturers.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seco-Larm-SD-H412-Vandal-resistant-Protecting-Concealing/dp/B082BJBN26

thisisthecount · Oct 14, 2023

that's interesting, thank you!

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