weird lighting fault

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mogga

• Sep 13, 2011

• #16

FFS I realy hope you have a contract saying code 1s to be repaired

 

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platty1005

• Sep 13, 2011

• #17

I assume you are doing a PIR ?
Conduit as CPC 35 years old
76 code 1's so far I guess the recommendation is a full re-wire
As for 110V L-E try testing much closer to the main DB
I guess the conduit is badly corroded at various points and is a very high resistance compared to L-N insulated copper conductors

 

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WDMDL

• Sep 14, 2011

• #18

Dean Williams said:

assuming it is a bad earth, can someone please explain the science behind it...how does it become 110v???

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If you've got good Zs figures elsewhere you can rule out the earthing conductor itself.
So if we're dealing with a fault on just this one conduit run, here goes:

Let's assume:
The conduit is completely open circuit quite near the origin.
The insulation resistance L-E is 0.5Meg and N-E is 0.5 Meg. (measured at end of circuit)
Voltmeter input impedance is 10Meg.

Think of a potential divider, L to N, with the conduit in the middle
For a 230V supply, you'd get a theoretical 115V
But with the 10 Meg of your voltmeter in parallel with whichever 0.5Meg you were measuring across, the voltage seen would reduce slightly.

Now if you've got a measured Zs of 160 Ohm and 110V L-E, sounds like something is corroded AND full of water

Unless someone's made up an IT system, centre tap earthed through an impedance....

Simon.

 

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Knobhead

• Sep 14, 2011

• #19

Try using an old analogue meter and then check the voltage. I hate DVM’s give me an AVO any time!

 

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• Sep 14, 2011

• #20

Thanks for the explanation...i understand it more now.

I'll try it with an analogue voltmeter tomorrow. Thanks

 

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• Sep 14, 2011

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Tony said:

Try using an old analogue meter and then check the voltage. I hate DVM’s give me an AVO any time!

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one like this? i've got 2 of them

 

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• Sep 14, 2011

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An Electrician and his Avometer
It was at one time, like the Lone ranger and his trusted horse Trigger

, couldn't get anywhere without the other


Sadly my own passed away quite a few years ago,stolen it was,sob,I still miss her though,sob

That picture has an uncanny resemblence to mine,where did you happen upon it tel

 

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• Sep 14, 2011

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that particular one is at present on ebay. there's a few on. ranging from a few quid upwards. my 2 aran older model 8 ans a 7.

edit: marston's pedigree is affecting my shpellinge

 

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Huw Matthews

• Sep 14, 2011

• #24

Check your meter, Ive had allsorts of strange voltages.
Once had 382v on what should have been a 230 circuit just because the batteries running flat.

 

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Knobhead

• Sep 17, 2011

• #25

Mine was a model 8 mk 3 complete with 200A shunt and 5KV Aux transformer, I was gutted when the kit was nicked.

Both the add on bits were from about the 50’s, beautiful varnished teak cases. Bloody death traps, but impressive when you got them out of their leather cases. Never had the bottle to use the transformer above 1.5KV even though I bench tested it to 5KV DC to earth and between windings. I might be daft, I’m not suicidal!

 

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Knobhead

• Sep 17, 2011

• #26

Dean Williams said:

Thanks for the explanation...i understand it more now.

I'll try it with an analogue voltmeter tomorrow. Thanks

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Let us know how you go on please :smug2:

 

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sparkydude

• Sep 17, 2011

• #27

Another thought, seeing as its an emergency light in a theatre, there is not a sort of central battery system supplying it is there??? this used to be used a lot for cinemas,theatres etc and would account for the 110V being so perfect on your meter.

Just an idea to throw into the pot

Nick

 

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• Sep 18, 2011

• #28

Hi
there's no central battery unit. its a dedicated DB just for em lights.
i've been told to Code 1 it as possible bad earth and that a different company will carry out the fault finding/repairs.
by the way ive finished testing the theatre now. total of 94 DBs, 643 section F observations including 93 code 1s.

 

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• Sep 18, 2011

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could it be a lose/missing neutral?

 

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• Sep 20, 2011

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no because there's 230v across l and n