black sticky liquid??

Dean Williams · Apr 3, 2012

Hi
while testing a DB in a primary school today, i found all the conductors within the DB coated in a black sticky, tar-like goo. see attached photos. im assuming its the conductors overheating and the insulation melting. can anyone confirm this. If that is the case, i can't understand it. there are no significant heat sources nearby apart from a stage lighting DB below, which i switched on with all the spotlights on full and left it all day to see if it produced any heat, which it didnt.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
cheers guys

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SirKit Breaker · Apr 3, 2012

Something may have gone bang at sometime or other in the past within the enclosure. I have seen it before, as long as everything tests out OK, and there is no obvious damage, then i would isolate it, and give it all a good clean with solvent cleaner, then have another look.

Cheers........Howard

imago · Apr 3, 2012

What's above the DB? I saw one in avery similar state a few years back which was also in a primary school oddly enough. To cut a long tale short after the intitial worry, some questions, a look above the ceiling and some more questions, it turned out that the roofers had spilt a tin of felt sealant over the board from above. It had been isolated and cleaned up to about the state that looks. ie not very well.

Dean Williams · Apr 3, 2012

theres nothing above, just an empty roof void. but something may have gone bang. i say this because all of the MCBs and RCBOs are the same except one, which is a new one. The IR readings were quite low. of the 9 circuits, 4 were >200M, 2 were between 2 and 4M, one was 1.15M and the last 2 were about 0.96M.

Des 56 · Apr 3, 2012

It could be tar or such from an unrelated job
What doesn't look good is that hole that has been cut with all those jagged edges where the conductors pass through

Dean Williams · Apr 3, 2012

The hole has been noted. the cables drop down a length of plastic trunking to the board, the board is halfway up the wall. the cables in the trunking are all ok

Dean Williams · Apr 3, 2012

i got the stuff on my hands, it took ages to get off.

Des 56 · Apr 3, 2012

Dean Williams said:
i got the stuff on my hands, it took ages to get off.View attachment 11583

Or was it that the toilet paper was extra thin

Top Cat · Apr 3, 2012

Just a thought, i had something similar a while back, but this was more a greeny black goo.

I found out that the installation had lost it's neutral so all power was flowing to earth and the earth wires were overheating causing the PVC to have some sort of reaction.

Dean Williams · Apr 3, 2012

i thought that at the start, but ruled it out because the neutrals are in the same mess

Dean Williams · Apr 3, 2012

going back to the theory that something may have exploded in there, the only wire not coated is a neutral from a new RCBO. but that may just be a coincidence.

D80 · Apr 3, 2012

Are you able to see what the conductors look like before they enter the board?

Board looks like a shambles too

Dean Williams · Apr 3, 2012

yes. the conductors are all ok.
where the conductors terminate, the bare copper is still shiny, not blackened like from overheating.

D80 · Apr 3, 2012

So no black stuff before they enter board?
Not a lot of black stuff on the board, just on all of the cables in it.

Not got a clue what it could be. I'm gonna have a pint of the blackstuff and hopefully get educated on this one.

Guitarist · Apr 3, 2012

May sound like an odd q, but what does the black stuff smell of?

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