Hi Chris
Please accept my appologise, i have been out of reach recently. I have read your reply with much intrest, i did look through the cylinder book but just found a normal wiring diagram nothing about this cylinder cut off valve. i always want to do my job properly so went looking on line asked the plumbers i know, but with no luck.
could you point me in the wright direction where i could find this information as i still have not found this wiring diagram.
Just out of interest has this method been in place long as i am working on two 5 bed 3 ensuites, 1 bathroom, with under floor heating on ground floor, the 1st and 2nd each have a room stat and a zone valve for each floor, but not a cylinder zone valve, is this write??
the "made plumber" should of been "mad plumber" i have fat fingers.
Thank you once again
feebs 73
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Hi Chris
Please accept my appologise, i have been out of reach recently. I have read your reply with much intrest, i did look through the cylinder book but just found a normal wiring diagram nothing about this cylinder cut off valve. i always want to do my job properly so went looking on line asked the plumbers i know, but with no luck.
could you point me in the wright direction where i could find this information as i still have not found this wiring diagram.
Just out of interest has this method been in place long as i am working on two 5 bed 3 ensuites, 1 bathroom, with under floor heating on ground floor, the 1st and 2nd each have a room stat and a zone valve for each floor, but not a cylinder zone valve, is this write??
the "made plumber" should of been "mad plumber" i have fat fingers.
Thank you once again
feebs 73
"Hello again feebs 73",
From your description and taking it that the Heating and Hot Water system has an UNVENTED
`INDIRECT` [Heated by a Flow and Return from Heating System] Hot Water Cylinder installed:
There should be `Zones` for the Heating System which from your description should be:
1. First Floor Heating circuit / zone - Zone Valve and Room Thermostat - Ideally a Programmable Room Thermostat
* - regarding both Timed / Temperature Control of that Zone.
2. Second Floor Heating circuit / zone - Zone Valve and Room Thermostat - Ideally a Programmable Room Thermostat
* - regarding both Timed / Temperature Control of that Zone.
* Programmable Room Thermostats may NOT be suitable for some Householders regarding their Time and Temperature setting requirements - and some people find understanding the setting requirements too complicated *
3. UNVENTED Hot Water Cylinder [Zone] - Zone Valve -
usually SUPPLIED BY Cylinder Manufacturer and MUST be wired as the Unvented Cylinder Installation Instructions state -
This should include wiring for the `Thermal Cut Out` / High Limit Thermostat on the Unvented Cylinder.
4. Underfloor Heating - Zone Valve - Room Thermostat [Programmable
* ? or plus Timeswitch] - Pump - Manifold - Thermostatic Mixing Valve etc.
I have identified these Zones with the Underfloor Heating as No.4 because it may be wired seperately from the S Plan Plus wiring - ?
The MUCH more knowledgeable Members will be able to verify whether I am correct in this regarding the Electrical wiring / operation for the Thermal Cut Out / High Limit Thermostat on the Unvented Cylinder:
I believe that the Unvented Cylinder TWO PORT VALVE [Zone Valve] is wired to the Heating & Hot Water Controls as in the Honeywell `S Plan` BUT ALSO there is wiring from the Unvented Hot Water Cylinder `Thermal Cut Out` / High Limit Thermostat which will `Interrupt the Power Supply` to that Zone Valve in the event of the High Limit Thermostat reaching Temperature - STOPPING the Heat / Flow to the Unvented Cylinder Coil.
I misworded My explanation in My first message to You when I wrote about the Cylinder Zone `Safety` Valve wiring being `nothing to do with the Heating Controls wiring`:
I meant that the wiring for the Unvented Cylinder `Thermal Cut Out` / High Limit Thermostat was seperate / additional to the Heating Controls wiring.
That additional wiring from the Thermal Cut Out / High Limit Thermostat controls the CLOSING of the Cylinder Zone Valve by interupting the Power in the event that it operates at a High Temperature - it then OVER-RIDES the Heating System Controls.
Please make sure that You get the EXACT Wiring Instructions before proceeding with this Unvented Hot Water Cylinder wiring - regarding the Dangers that I detailed in My previous message to You.
I do NOT have the Electrical Knowledge / Expertise to advise You any further regarding Wiring up the Controls to this Heating System / UNVENTED HOT WATER CYLINDER - because of the additional wiring for the Underfloor Heating Controls etc.
Hopefully now that I have attached the example wiring diagram for the Heatrae Sadia Megaflow Unvented Hot Water Cylinder one of our Electrical Expert Members will be able to advise You on the additional Zones - converting the Diagram to an `S Plan PLUS` with the additional wiring to the Underfloor Heating Controls.
I am attaching an example of a wiring diagram for a Heatrae Sadia Megaflow Unvented Hot Water Indirect Cylinder here and I am including a link to the webpage which has athe wiring Diagram - wired to an `S Plan` Heating System / Controls system.
PLEASE READ THE DETAILS ABOUT THIS WIRING DIAGRAM ON THE WEBPAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DIAGRAM.
This would have to be adapted to an `S Plan PLUS` wiring plan AND whatever is required for wiring the Underfloor Heating Controls [?] - that Zone is probably going to be completely seperate from the `S Plan Plus` wiring[?].
The wiring for the `Main` Heating System Pump may have to be altered from the S Plan if the Boiler has a Pump Over-run - because the Pump would then have to be wired to the Boiler as indicated in the Boiler Installation Instructions.
The wiring diagram for the Unvented Cylinder Zone Valve on an `S Plan`is on this webpage on Megaflow Unvented Hot Water Cylinders:
Megaflo Unvented Direct & Indirect Hot Water Cylinders
I hope that You can get further advice on this from the extremely Expert and Professional Members on here - BUT - PLEASE remember the situation regarding the Cylinder Zone Valve being wired to the Cylinder Thermal Cut Out / High Limit Thermostat.
I hope that this is of some help.
Regards,
Chris
P.S. Who is the Manufacturer of the Unvented Hot Water Cylinder and the Model ?