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What exactly are these people allowed to do if they join a scheme.
I was led to believe that they may ADD to an existing circuit, but not install one from scratch, also they are not allowed to change a db
am I correct or can they do anything they like
 
What exactly are these people allowed to do if they join a scheme.
I was led to believe that they may ADD to an existing circuit, but not install one from scratch, also they are not allowed to change a db
am I correct or can they do anything they like

That's funny, ....as most of these guy's use a CU change as the main show job to these so-called scheme assessors!! So i guess your wrong!! lol!!
 
Work they are competent to undertake (see, for example, EWR, Part II, clause 16):

Persons to be competent to prevent danger and injury

16. No person shall be engaged in any work activity where technical knowledge or experience
is necessary to prevent danger or, where appropriate, injury, unless he possesses such knowledge
or experience, or is under such degree of supervision as may be appropriate having regard to the
nature of the work.

The "17-day" courses essentially only cover domestic work, with a very minimal look at 3 phase.
 
I thought the training they received gave them qualifications recognised as being suitable persons for anything from a socket change to full install on a multimillion pound job, and to test and certify such installations.
And the experience and knowledge to fault find on any electrical installation without having to bother asking for the answer on forums.

If the above sounds like rubbish it's because I've just eaten too much cake from Aldi...
 
Work they are competent to undertake (see, for example, EWR, Part II, clause 16):

Persons to be competent to prevent danger and injury

16. No person shall be engaged in any work activity where technical knowledge or experience
is necessary to prevent danger or, where appropriate, injury, unless he possesses such knowledge
or experience, or is under such degree of supervision as may be appropriate having regard to the
nature of the work.

In other words anything and everything, (self assessment)!! ...They are fully qualified don't you know!! lol!!!
 
In other words anything and everything, (self assessment)!! ...They are fully qualified don't you know!! lol!!!

Someone not trained on industrial 3-phase would be foolish to start working on such an installation unsupervised. The trouble is, the competence might only get assessed after something has gone badly wrong.
 
Hmmm.... maybe people are getting confused between full scope and defined scope part p?

Unfortunately, these guys get put through the sausage machine and told where to look up the answers when they do the online, open book, 2 hrs for 40 questions, revue all your answers before you hit send, regs exam. It's not exactly rocket science, is it?
 
I'm a non-apprenticeship domestic installer/sparks who went down the quick course route. It suited me as I'm very experienced with domestic building work and electrics.

I had to sit exams to prove I understand the building regs and can work to 17th edition wiring regs. I also have to prove to the scheme/scam inspector that I know my stuff, have the correct documents and equipment and answer his/her questions about electrical work.

I know that I will never work on industrial electrics or HV, but I'm happy with that.

With regards the "I'd not employ anyone without an apprenticeship" comment, personally I think that's a shame. I'd like to think that an interview with someone would be a much better method of checking their abilities rather than just saying no because they've not done an apprenticeship.
 
From my experience, candidates with college certificates count for nothing in the real world and have cost me hundreds of thousands in their lack of experience. I'll take a "site trained" tradesman any day over a "college taught" one. I don't care what exams they managed to pass, I'm only interested in what skills they actually have whilst still ensuring they have sufficient certificates to permit them to work.

Remember that the 17th is not a LEGAL requirement, and neither is C&G2382. There is still no such thing as a legal requirement to become an electrician. BUT, when you conduct (excuse the pun) work in a domestic dwelling, this work either needs to be checked, inspected and approved by Building Regs or signed off by yourself, if so approved to do so under Part P.

Therefore, sections that are not covered by Part P (additions, replacement fittings, most things outside bathrooms and kitchens etc) can be done by anyone and signed off on a minor works form by anyone - yep, shocking as it sounds. However, who would use such a person for their job?

Therefore you have two choices:

1/ Go to college, get a whole long list of credentials and finally register and get approved under Part P using NIC, ECA etc and then start as a fully legal and trained "qualified" domestic electrician.

OR

2/ Gain lots of site experience, get your 17th Edition (C&G2382) as this is a requirement for the next step, and then register and get inspected to gain the needed Part P status. You can still attend college when ever you wish to add credentials to your portfolio if you wish.

What is best? I have no idea, but in my opinion it depends on the individual, his experience and skills more than whatever exams he passed sat in a room somewhere.
 
That's funny, ....as most of these guy's use a CU change as the main show job to these so-called scheme assessors!! So i guess your wrong!! lol!!

You are not permitted to replace a Consumer Unit without it being approved/registered under Part P, therefore you could do it and get building regs to inspect it, or do it and get it inspected as part of your Part P assessment - in which case it will be approved once/if you pass anyway.
 
College gives you the technical knowledge required to work as an electrician to dismiss it just makes you a sparks mate / installer, people can house bash to there hearts content but as soon as they hit a fault there knackered this is where the technical knowledge comes in. To say a electrical trainee is equivalent to a time served spark is laughable at best and all that's wrong with the industry.
 
If someone goes to college and passes a industry recognised course that has taken them a few years of study and hard work to obtain,they ought to be given every opportunity to obtain employment

Traditional apprenticeships via a company have dwindled for various reasons and the costs associated with the training has been passed to the individual
To my mind industry has gained tremendously through this change and should be compelled by law to have a percentage of their employees recruited from such areas,not dismissed and thrown on the scrapheap without a chance

Saying that employment is only for the experienced and you would not entertain application from the inexperienced,it would be letting our young ones down badly,yet again
 

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