17th edition query

[J.C.E]

Last year I done my city+guids 2330 Level 2, and I am doing my 2330 Level 3 now, I am also doing my portfolio for the 2356 NVQ part too.

On the books we use in college, it says on the covers: 'Fully up-to-date with 17th Edition IEE wiring regs'

Now my question is, after I finish my 2330 level 3, and 2356 NVQ level 3 this year, will I have to do the 17th edition course aswell?

In addition to this course, I was wondering what other courses would be quite important to take ( I was thinking maybe inspec + testing, and isn't there a reg or wiring exam that apprentice are recomended to do?)

Thanks for your time

Joe

 

[john25]

If you pass the 2330 Level 3 then you only need to do a 17th Edition *update* course.

 

[J.C.E]

If you pass the 2330 Level 3 then you only need to do a 17th Edition *update* course.

is this the 3day or so course?

 

[IQ Electrical]

is this the 3day or so course?

The 2382-20 is the update and it's normally 1 day

 

[john25]

is this the 3day or so course?

im not sure mate.

 

[tonys]

Widdler

I read the post as though he was using study books which cover the 17th edition. E1 Study Notes is one I know of, anyway this won't be my first of last pointless post, but I'm happy in my skin.

 

[wallicio]

Joe,

I have just sat the 60 question 2382-10 and passed, and i only have a eal vrq level 2 domestic installer course behind me.

You wll fly the 2382-20 30 question paper, as, of course with your 2330 you are a rare breed and doing things properly.

lol

 

[Spudnik]

Can everyone take a deep breath and relax.

We can all voice opinions without abusing each other.

 

[eskimo39]

I can see where Widdler is coming from. If you want to be considered a 17th edition trained electrician it is almost impossible to do so without the regs book. When I was at college I used the 2 books mentioned earlier green cover for level 2 and blue advanced for level 3 (my third year) however I found these books teach you more about motors, ohms law, ac theory etc which in my opinion are not too much use on their own outside of college.
Joe, I am not being funny here mate but you really need to get yourself a regs book and just spend a little time to read through it now and again. It is a very difficult book to use properly if you do not understand how the reference markers work (for example it doesn't give you a page number for max Zs just a reference point). Even if your lecturer doesn't use the book, just spend a little time after college looking up the regs of things you were talking about and at the very least it will prepare you for when you eventually start your own work.

Do you own an onsite guide? This is another essential book which will help you understand things better and has an excellent chapter on testing which will come in useful for level 3 part 2 when you are testing & inspecting.

Good luck with the studying mate , listen to the guys on here and you will never go far wrong!!

 

[J.C.E]

I can see where Widdler is coming from. If you want to be considered a 17th edition trained electrician it is almost impossible to do so without the regs book. When I was at college I used the 2 books mentioned earlier green cover for level 2 and blue advanced for level 3 (my third year) however I found these books teach you more about motors, ohms law, ac theory etc which in my opinion are not too much use on their own outside of college.
Joe, I am not being funny here mate but you really need to get yourself a regs book and just spend a little time to read through it now and again. It is a very difficult book to use properly if you do not understand how the reference markers work (for example it doesn't give you a page number for max Zs just a reference point). Even if your lecturer doesn't use the book, just spend a little time after college looking up the regs of things you were talking about and at the very least it will prepare you for when you eventually start your own work.

Do you own an onsite guide? This is another essential book which will help you understand things better and has an excellent chapter on testing which will come in useful for level 3 part 2 when you are testing & inspecting.

Good luck with the studying mate , listen to the guys on here and you will never go far wrong!!

cheers, any recomendations on where to pick a cheap bs7671 cheap or somewhere like eBay best bet as I hear they are around 60£ mark!

and yes I do own a iee onsite guide, which unlike the regs, we do refer to regularly!

regarding testing, I have read the inspec+testing section, and as I an often testing at work, I am remembering how and WHY to do most tests, just got to start learning what results I should be getting...(and this is where I know you will say the need for the regs book is)

 

[eskimo39]

If you learn your way around it before your class mates it will be the best £60 you have spent. When everyone is arguing about something they have heard in the wholesalers queue, you can find the answer quickly and satisfactory. It also helps to eliminate those bad practices/advice older sparkies can give (which through no fault of their own have been picked up over the years). If for example you are at work and one of the guys you are working with tells you to bury a SWA cable 300mm across a garden to feed a DB inside a shed, you will know whether this is the correct depth (is it??). I had this on site one day when I had first started out, the guy teaching me practically lifted the turf and put the wire in, something didn't ring true but I didn't have the regs (or any real knowledge of them) so I just went with it. A couple of weeks later, the seriousness of it was explained by my lecturer when I questioned the method.

If you PM me your email I can send you a couple of .pdf files which will help.

 

[J.C.E]

If you learn your way around it before your class mates it will be the best £60 you have spent. When everyone is arguing about something they have heard in the wholesalers queue, you can find the answer quickly and satisfactory. It also helps to eliminate those bad practices/advice older sparkies can give (which through no fault of their own have been picked up over the years). If for example you are at work and one of the guys you are working with tells you to bury a SWA cable 300mm across a garden to feed a DB inside a shed, you will know whether this is the correct depth (is it??). I had this on site one day when I had first started out, the guy teaching me practically lifted the turf and put the wire in, something didn't ring true but I didn't have the regs (or any real knowledge of them) so I just went with it. A couple of weeks later, the seriousness of it was explained by my lecturer when I questioned the method.

If you PM me your email I can send you a couple of .pdf files which will help.

With regards to your shed example...i checked the on site guide and it didnt seem to cover this, so this does prove I need the regs! (point taken!) but I would say 600mm under flower bed depth?? and the feed from the main supply to be on a rcd.

and have pm'ed you my email, thanks very much

 

[pushrod]

With regards to your shed example...i checked the on site guide and it didnt seem to cover this, so this does prove I need the regs! (point taken!) but I would say 600mm under flower bed depth?? and the feed from the main supply to be on a rcd.

and have pm'ed you my email, thanks very much

Probably not as it is SWA it has its own mechanical protection. If it is feeding a submain in the shed the best place to have the rcd is there, so that nuisance trips in the shed only take those circuits out and not circuits in the house; and also it can easily be reset. You do not want 2 ordinary rcds on the same circuit as there would be no discrimination.

 

[J.C.E]

Probably not as it is SWA it has its own mechanical protection. If it is feeding a submain in the shed the best place to have the rcd is there, so that nuisance trips in the shed only take those circuits out and not circuits in the house; and also it can easily be reset. You do not want 2 ordinary rcds on the same circuit as there would be no discrimination.

so 300mm would be deep enough for swa, or even clipped direct to a fence aslong as it wont be in contact with a lawn mower or strimmer! and not rcd protected at the source but the circuits in the shed to be protect by rcd. Correct?

 

[telectrix]

SWA should be buried at a depth where it will not be prone to damage in normal circumstances.e.g. digging with a spade. in soil a sensible depth would be 15-18", with warning tape above at around 12". as it's SWA no need for RCD at source end.

 

[pushrod]

I don't think there are specific regs re depth of swa but you will see suggested depths and as telectrix says 15" to 18" in a garden is sensible,12" (300mm) is a little shallow but who knows , though it would have to be deeper if the land was cultivated. Lying in sand and capped is recommended and the yellow warning tape 6" above i would say is a must. Nothing wrong with clipped to a fence but common sense is the key with all things.