NICEIC Certification Scheme 2391 V NICEIC - Whats the point in 2391??

[Dillb]

That’s it, since the scams to light everything seems to have been watered down, these Get rich companies sorry my mistake I meant Electrical Trainee training companies have a lot to answer for too. Yet we seem to just sit back and allow it too continue, 2-3 years ago there was a mass influx of members on here who had gone down that route. Yet when challenged on here we were told if we couldn’t answer their query not to reply at all. I genuinely don’t know what members are like on here now but hopefully we can at least express our opinions and tell people they need to maybe get more help when out of there depth.

I initially joined this forum first time round as I felt I had something to offer to it and will help anyone in any way I can, but if they can’t take that advice on board then what chance do we have?

 

[Strima]

Yet we seem to just sit back and allow it too continue, 2-3 years ago there was a mass influx of members on here who had gone down that route. Yet when challenged on here we were told if we couldn’t answer their query not to reply at all. I genuinely don’t know what members are like on here now but hopefully we can at least express our opinions and tell people they need to maybe get more help when out of there depth.

I'm still here asking stupid questions... Welcome back mate...

 

[Dillb]

I'm still here asking stupid questions... Welcome back mate...

I will be in good company then

 

[JAWS]

I thought the 2391 qualification on a scheme put you on the approved contractors list rather then the domestic installer list.

 

[Dillb]

I thought the 2391 qualification on a scheme put you on the approved contractors list rather then the domestic installer list.

No No No No, the difference between either a “approved contractor” or “domestic installer” is £££££££££ Sadly that is what speaks loudest to the scams and nothing else.

For the record there is no difference between either of them you either a electrician or your not, yet again the scams have created a nothing job to make people sound more qualified than they actually are, I have even been asked if I am a domestic installer before even though they knew I was a electrician by trade.

 

[Dillb]

My apologises massive, didn’t realise you was a trainee when I posted. Please don’t take my post as a dig at you.

 

[JAWS]

My apologises massive, didn’t realise you was a trainee when I posted. Please don’t take my post as a dig at you.

That's absolutely fine Dillb

 

[The Ghost]

I did the 2394/95 with total 11 hours practical and written answers to a set of questions in sections. I am with Stroma (did a year with NIC did not and would not renew) and they do things differently to NIC. If you want to be domestic installer thats one set of requirements and exams. If you want to say you do EICR you must have extra insurance (P.I. £250.000) and 2391 or 2394/95 or they will not "grade you" for that. So I joined the scheme purely to do domestic but mostly do light commercial. So for me it makes sense to join a scheme and have 2394/95. And don't get me started with NIC! Very rude bunch of people, like I am going to pay their exorbitant fees with absolutely no conception of customer service!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

A little bit of history:
The 2391 was introduced by C&G at the behest of the NICEIC as a qualification to be required to be a QS.
As so many failed, the NICEIC dropped it as a requirement.

 

[PEG]

A little bit of history:
The 2391 was introduced by C&G at the behest of the NICEIC as a qualification to be required to be a QS.
As so many failed, the NICEIC dropped it as a requirement.

Yep,i have kept some relevant paperwork,from moons back,where the schemes mentioned,had the 2391 as a "requirement",and a few years later,the blurb stated members should confirm that they are "working towards the 2391"

It would be equally comforting to know,that the surgeon,about to do an eye operation,is "working towards his qualifications"

 

[westward10]

Most years I am asked by these people if I am thinking of doing the 2391, I just stare at them. I have been a QS and still am under the NICEIC ( no longer), ECA and ELESCA and have no intention of furthering my knowledge with it. Having a 2391 means nowt and in have met plenty of people with it who I would deem totally incompetent to do testing.

 

[Midwest]

No No No No, the difference between either a “approved contractor” or “domestic installer” is £££££££££ Sadly that is what speaks loudest to the scams and nothing else.

For the record there is no difference between either of them you either a electrician or your not, yet again the scams have created a nothing job to make people sound more qualified than they actually are, I have even been asked if I am a domestic installer before even though they knew I was a electrician by trade.

Not quite true. NICEIC has domestic installer & approved contractor, whereas Elecsa's has just approved contractor, in their 'Part P' scheme. I think the fees for the domestic installer & Elecsa approved contractor are similar, whereas NIC approved contractor is some more ££'s.

By the way on another subject, I did my electrical apprenticeship in the late 60's, and it was really hard. Not like easy peezy ones that turned up later. I have a wealth of knowledge, that simply surpasses all those that have done their training in the last few years. There's nothing you can tell me about anything, electrically speaking. I don't know why some people bother trying to learn how to be an electrician, 'cos they are on loosing wicket compared to me.

 

[Rpa07]

Or perhaps this one @Midwest!
Ps it’s nothing personal!

 

[Midwest]

Its more like this

Sorry that's telectrix.

This is me

 

[Ian1981]

Most years I am asked by these people if I am thinking of doing the 2391, I just stare at them. I have been a QS and still am under the NICEIC ( no longer), ECA and ELESCA and have no intention of furthering my knowledge with it. Having a 2391 means nowt and in have met plenty of people with it who I would deem totally incompetent to do testing.

If your boss said ‘“hey if I pay for you to do the 2391 will you do it “ would you still not consider it tho?
Might learn something