24v relay circuit - elp!

[wade88]

this is almost identical to the auger we have for this process, with a steel mesh guard and sunken screw. You just cannot get any body part inside the auger. You would have to cut away the mesh guard and lean into it.

 

[Knobhead]

Wade, will you please accept you are out of you're depth. You've had good advice but you are totally blind to it.

 

[wade88]

I have accepted i am out of my depth!! How many times! I'm not touching a thing lol.

Jesus have mercy.

You have good eye balls, read the past posts. I have taken all advice on board, and said thank you to boot. I made a large point of thanking everyone for their advice and havent disregarded any of it!

I highlighted i was out of my depth in post 1 lol. Otherwise wouldnt have bothered going through this whole episode in the first place would I. Hardly sit around on here getting told to stew in it for fun now do I. But there is only so much "constructive criticism" that can be handed out, when people are sat at home speculating on variables and situations they are imagine are present or not.

 

[silva.foxx]

... But there is only so much "constructive criticism" that can be handed out, when people are sat at home speculating on variables and situations they are imagine are present or not.

You stated in post #1: My question is, and i appreciate the incredible vagueness of what i am asking here: -


and in post #5 you stated that no risk assessments had been done.

Forum members who are freely trying to keep you out of the sh!te and offer their valuable guidance gratis are merely pointing out the pitfalls, from what can only be imagined from your take on the situation you are in! Do not be naive to the dangers of "simplistic" machines.

Constructive Criticism is progress (and gladly taken over negative anyday). Sit back, absorb and you will benefit.

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[SheffSimon]

Ok Simon,

I officially invite you to the premises at which I work, with your note pad and high viz on to come and carry out another risk assessment against this machine and its operation. And you will come to resounding conclusion, that there is no more that can be done to it, short of putting it inside a vacuum and the operator stands 20ft back and throws the material at it... that can make it any safer.

The concern currently is not with the auger, it is simply an auger that material is fed into, like thousands currently used in manufacture around the world, the concern lies with the electrical integration into an existing system. This is being looked at tomorrow.

Before you spout off any concern for death and court cases, there is no more design that can be done on this auger. Man stands at the end of it, man applies sack of grain, man walks away in tact.

I am taking this all seriously, but seriously, we are not talking about the handling of uranium 235 here.

Your glib replies about hi-viz and notepad, and uranium 235 tells us all we need to know about what you think of the advice we have tried to offer.

I'm done.

 

[Spoon]

I thought initially that wade was not listening to any advice from us, but in his defence (not that the bloke can't defend himself) if you read post 55 he is now getting a colleague to do all the risk assessments and he will just be helping his colleague out and learning from him.

 

[wade88]

Thanks Spoon I appreciate the clarification, and your right, i am perfectly capable of defending myself should i have any need to defend myself which in this case, entirely not.

I made a facetious comment because having sat there and accused me of ignoring advice and not taking on board what had been said, clearly you failed to understand any of the earlier discussion whereby i had clearly pointed out i will not be doing the work and merely assisting yet you continued to suggest i was just blundering on regardless.

Silva, i don't understand why the impression has been given that i have been ungrateful in any advice received, its quite the contrary. I am never and have never been ungrateful when receiving advice whether it be criticism or suggestion, and i certainly havent in this thread. Nor have i disregarded anyone's suggestions. I clearly made point of saying how i understand my limitations and will be backing away from this job.

I don't understand, or appreciate, the hostility just because some of you feel you are being ignored. Read it all back. No where have i made any comment that would implicate me to not appreciate or take on board any advice.

Anyway, the circuit is now explained to me, i understand how it works, how to wire it, and most important the reasons behind why certain steps need to be taken and where.

Thank you all again for the input, i don't want to leave this thread with bad tastes in people's mouths at all. I can only apologise if i have offended anyone or people feel i have been ungrateful. I trust you it is quite the polar opposite.

Ben

 

[silva.foxx]

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Silva, i don't understand why the impression has been given that i have been ungrateful in any advice received, its quite the contrary. I am never and have never been ungrateful when receiving advice whether it be criticism or suggestion, and i certainly havent in this thread. Nor have i disregarded anyone's suggestions. I clearly made point of saying how i understand my limitations and will be backing away from this job.

I don't understand, or appreciate, the hostility just because some of you feel you are being ignored. Read it all back. No where have i made any comment that would implicate me to not appreciate or take on board any advice.

I never stated (nor did I intend to imply) that you were ungrateful. I merely pointed at that people, whom may usually charge for H&S advice, have offered it for nowt in an attempt to help. These people can only envisage what you have in front of you from your posts. These guys can not see your machine but are trying to open your mind to the traps of machinery safety. You will notice that 'consultants' on here will always point you in the right direction of legislation and law but will not spoonfeed you with all details. Solicitors do the same then charge you for the follow-up knowledge. Other guys will be offering their "real world" examples from their day-to-day work in the same vein as yourself, as controls/maintenance guys, in empathy of the situation you are in. We've all made mistakes. Perhaps big ones. This all leads to experience, which is to understand when you've made the same c0ck-up twice.

Hostility... or genuine concern in helping you. Nobody wants you to fail. Nobody wants you to get hurt. Everybody wants you to keep all fingers intact to continue your valued input and wacky ideas.

This site is all about offering a certain type of help... and not a noose or stoning.

So chin up. Bring on your next project so we can batter you on a new topic.