3 phase colours

[jmc1683]

When you are using 3 phase colours for live neutral and earth, should you use black or grey as neutral, I usually use black as it was the old neutral colour. I work self employed for various different companies and some say you should NEVER use black as neutral, others say only use black. I always sleeve them anyway of course and I know then it doesn't really matter but what is the general opinion? I'm getting fed up of this, happened again Saturday, I was connecting coupe of swa's into board and I was connecting the blacks (sleeved blue) onto neutral bar and collegue walks in, go's, oh, didn't see that! should never use black as neutral. this is not a huge issue, no need to belittle me, just looking for opinion for discussion.

 

[Outspoken]

I thought it was..

Red to brown

Yellow to Black

Blue to F*ck!!

hehehhee

 

[Rockingit]

Good call mate but I bet it's a majority of 'domestic' sparks your looking at and 'younger' guys(since the colour change) who can't remember red/yellow and blue as the 3 live/line colours and black as neutral?

The younger guys I work with all (well, except the one in my example earlier!) mutter 'de-neutralisation of the black' as some mantra drummed in at college. I remember the changeover and there being huge debates on site ('site' at the time normally being some soggy field) about black becoming the new blue and blue being removed, yada yada, but all we used was 3ph singles so it didn't really matter!

It would be interesting to hear from some of the forums European members as to what their respective countries use by default - after all, we all changed together!!

 

[44ALLAN]

I thought it was..

Red to brown

Yellow to Black

Blue to F*ck!!

hehehhee

exactly hahahahaha

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Just curl yer top lip at them mate, they'll be running for cover!
100ohms on TT?!?!?! That'll be far too technical for them, if I remember right from last year, they were just spouting answers to school boy questions. It was pathetic!

listen, i went to the harrogate show last year and they had this massive stand that was just hulking and brute....
there it was domineering everything and everyone else....its crass....
and you could not get away from all the nonsense either....like `the importance of getting a Zs`....like eh?
so, you sets up a stand at a show for electricians....and you start lecturin about (R1 R2) and Zs....lolffs....lol..

 

[44ALLAN]

listen, i went to the harrogate show last year and they had this massive stand that was just hulking and brute....
there it was domineering everything and everyone else....its crass....
and you could not get away from all the nonsense either....like `the importance of getting a Zs`....like eh?
so, you sets up a stand at a show for electricians....and you start lecturin about (R1 R2) and Zs....lolffs....lol..

Eh..............no pi!s up and mince pies?
what a waste of time ffs?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Eh..............no pi!s up and mince pies?
what a waste of time ffs?

well...i`v quit drinking Allan....
quite partial to the odd pie or five though....

 

[Silly Sausage]

Aye, last year in Manc, the nearby stand discussing surge protection (I think it was), infinitely more interesting than the scam's stall, there was just me and one other geezer listening.
Have these schemes got some kind of sublimable brain washing going on?!?!

 

[Rockingit]

listen, i went to the harrogate show last year and they had this massive stand that was just hulking and brute....
there it was domineering everything and everyone else....its crass....

Shame to see them on such hard times then for a charity.... I know first hand how much the exhibition industry costs!!!

 

[Engineer54]

It would be interesting to hear from some of the forums European members as to what their respective countries use by default - after all, we all changed together!!

Not exactly, they had been using the current colours (or should i say ''tones'') for a good amount of time before this so-called harmonisation. What the powers at be at the time didn't tell you, was that they also use other colours to identify switch lines on lighting circuits and the like, as well as various other conductors they want to identify!! And that colour is of they're choice too!!

It's only the UK that made fundamental changes to phase colours and neutral, and being British, actually stuck to them throughout an installation!! Personally i can't think why drab tonal colours were ever chosen for electrical core/phase identification, the old Red, Yellow, Blue phase colours couldn't be mistaken, even in bad lighting conditions, unlike the present Bk, Br, Gr. If anything, it should of been Europe adopting our bright phase colours, Yet another step backwards!! lol!!

 

[Knobhead]

depends if i can get a word in....
i might even make a dash for the podium......
ask him where he`s getting 100 ohms from on a TT....

I’m almost sorry I won’t be at Manchester. It’s nice to mingle with the peasant’s occasionally.

Back to the original subject, sorry neutral is black! I was introduced to the new colours long before most of you. For my sins, I worked for a French company. New panels delivered, you wouldn’t believe the ensuing chaos with old school electricians.