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Hi,

Would anyone be kind enough to explain how a three phase distribution board works?

What I would like to know is:

How can you identify a three phase distribution board without removing the case?
If you have labels marked L1, L2, L3, would these generally be for each phase?
Can one of the power feeds drop out and the other 2 continue running?
If you have L1,L2,L3 which takes up three breakers, but you install a single RCD, will this only run on the single phase its connected to?
 
Hi,

Would anyone be kind enough to explain how a three phase distribution board works?

What I would like to know is:

How can you identify a three phase distribution board without removing the case?
If you have labels marked L1, L2, L3, would these generally be for each phase?
Can one of the power feeds drop out and the other 2 continue running?
If you have L1,L2,L3 which takes up three breakers, but you install a single RCD, will this only run on the single phase its connected to?
usually you install a tpn rcd.

yes one phase can fail and the other two phases can keep on working unless there is a lot of tpn loads then it could trip the other phases.
 
So if you have single RCD's in each of the L1, L2, L3 marked breakers 1 could fail and the others keep going but if you had a Three Phase MCB and one of the phases dropped out it would trip?
 
So if you have single RCD's in each of the L1, L2, L3 marked breakers 1 could fail and the others keep going but if you had a Three Phase MCB and one of the phases dropped out it would trip?
no you wouldnt do that.

you would have a tpn mcb not multiple single mcb's for the mainswitch.

you might lose supply to one of the phases feeding the mainswitch though
 
Odd.

I have seen a three phase distribution board with single MCB's and 3 Phase MCB's in it!

This diagram shows my perception of how it works:

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Single pole MCB are used in 3 phase DBs to supply individual single phase loads.

A 3 pole MCB will only trip when 1 pole is lost if the load becomes unbalanced, i.e a motor (although that's not guaranteed)
If the 3 pole is supplying heaters it won't trip.

Any overload on 1 pole of a 3 pole MCB , on the load side, will trip it.
 
An MCB protects a circuit from overload, it will trip if there's a fault or if too much equipment is running on that circuit. How long does the MCB take to trip when the motor is switched on. Maybe some more background info would help us give you better answers.
 
How can you identify a three phase distribution board without removing the case?
MCBs in vertical columns rather than horizontal row.

If you have labels marked L1, L2, L3, would these generally be for each phase?
Yes unless board has been connected to single phase supply with 3 incoming phase terminals parelleled.

Can one of the power feeds drop out and the other 2 continue running?
Yes if the upstream protection is unlinked e.g. fuses of which one blows, or there is a disconnection in one line. If there are delta-connected loads on the board they will tend to try and backfeed the lost phase, raising it to some random voltage.

If you have L1,L2,L3 which takes up three breakers, but you install a single RCD, will this only run on the single phase its connected to?
You would not connect an RCD to an outgoing way of a DB, either single or three phase. If you meant RCBO, then yes.

Why would it only be something like a motor that would trip the MCB but not a heater?
The electrical load of a motor depends on the mechanical work demanded from it. Normally, that load is shared equally between the three windings and therefore the supply phases. If one phase is lost while it is running the entire load will be transferred to the one winding* between the two remaining phases, increasing the current dramatically. If the motor is on anything more than light load, they will become overloaded above normal flc and may trip the overload relay or MCB.

The electrical load of a heater depends only on the voltage you feed it. If the supply fails to one phase* of the element bank, that third goes cold and the others carry on as normal, without overload.

*In both the above cases there are slight differences according to whether the load is star or delta connected and whether the load star point is connected to supply neutral, but the principle is unchanged.

In fact, with the motor, the overload might be worse than you expect because it will attempt to regenerate the missing phase and backfeed it to the DB at full voltage. As a simplified example, if you have 3kW of motor load and 3kW of balanced heater load on the DB, the motor MCB will normally see a load of 1kW on each phase. Knock out one phase of the supply and the motor will try to draw enough current between the other two to power not only its own 3kW but also the 1kW of heater on the dead phase, plus extra losses as it will be running lopsided and inefficiently.
 
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In fact, with the motor, the overload might be worse than you expect because it will attempt to regenerate the missing phase and backfeed it to the DB at full voltage. As a simplified example, if you have 3kW of motor load and 3kW of balanced heater load on the DB, the motor MCB will normally see a load of 1kW on each phase. Knock out one phase of the supply and the motor will try to draw enough current between the other two to power not only its own 3kW but also the 1kW of heater on the dead phase, plus extra losses as it will be running lopsided and inefficiently.

I think the OP may be refering to the issue of inrush of the 3kw motor tripping out an mcb where-as a 3kw heater doesn't and also to note here I would suggest the OP is confused about the motor rating, the 3KW rating of a motor refers to the mechanical output turning energy the shaft can supply and not the input electrical power - you could expect a standard 3KW induction motor to draw about 5.5A - 6A per phase at full load and not the 13amps the perceived rating would imply.
 
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I work in a data centre so no motors present really.. well except the air conditioning units. We have a lot of servers that are on a three phase distribution board but when I examine the breakers they are single and not trip MCBs... and that was confusing me!
 
I work in a data centre so no motors present really.. well except the air conditioning units. We have a lot of servers that are on a three phase distribution board but when I examine the breakers they are single and not trip MCBs... and that was confusing me!

A three phase board with say 6 x 3ph ways can equally act 18ways for single phase circuits or a mixture, just because its a three phase not limit it to 3ph circuits only ...well as long as a neutral is present, unlike some old 3phase boards where neutrals were missing due to the nature of the loads connected.
 

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