3 week wonder training newbie

[BruvDunk]

Don't think you can beat the recognised apprenticeship route, but as my oldest is finding it hard to gain a place on an apprenticeship these courses keep pinging up. And I must admit Im not convinced they would provide the recommended experience or quals to get status of Electrician through the JIB?

 

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Don't think you can beat the recognised apprenticeship route, but as my oldest is finding it hard to gain a place on an apprenticeship these courses keep pinging up. And I must admit Im not convinced they would provide the recommended experience or quals to get status of Electrician through the JIB?

I agree, on there own they wouldn't, but after gaining these basic quals, on site experience and more advanced courses over a few years would.

 

[Lekky1]

I agree, on there own they wouldn't, but after gaining these basic quals, on site experience and more advanced courses over a few years would.

I agree, it is recommended by the tutors to buddy up/ work as a laccy with a experienced electrician to gain the knowledge and experience required to go it alone

 

[Powellm]

This is very much like when I passed all my aircraft electrics and avionics stuff. My first real world was full of older boys saying your not a real fairy/greeny (spark) we learnt to component level. Shame the old ----s couldn't turn a computer on. Times change and so does the model of teaching. In the old days you learn in college to count to 5 then on site would get you to 10. Now it's learn to 1 then learn the rest on site. Quicker cheaper and in the end you get the same result. I've worked with old sweats who were terrible with wiring hand skills and even basic calcs. But some of my apprentices were amazing and just needed confidence. I bet you will soon see commercial and industrial root the same as DI.

 

[richy3333]

Some of the comments are freaking nuts. 5 days to become fully conversant in electrical installation, really! I suppose if you have enough money you can buy anything! Personally I’d have used the money on hookers

 

[Andy78]

Some of the comments are freaking nuts. 5 days to become fully conversant in electrical installation, really! I suppose if you have enough money you can buy anything! Personally I’d have used the money on hookers

Explains your avatar at last ......

 

[baldelectrician]

Do we have them here? I don't think I've actually met a domestic installer

There is no Part P in Scotland, we didn't bother with the domestic installer course.

 

[Burtones]

Don't think you can beat the recognised apprenticeship route, but as my oldest is finding it hard to gain a place on an apprenticeship these courses keep pinging up. And I must admit Im not convinced they would provide the recommended experience or quals to get status of Electrician through the JIB?

Paul- if your son/daughter doesn’t mind training for 2-3years they can get full gold card requirements for JIB without doing short courses.

A lot of colleges offer 2365 level 2 and 3 as evening courses (two evenings a week)- one year for level 2 (less than £2000 in most places and paid in instalments over the year), another year for level 3 (paid for by government no matter how old you are or what previous qualifications you have, but only if done at a college and not a training centre).

They can then do the NVQ Level 3 in the third year- or alongside the level 3 which is what I am doing now. NVQ is about £1000 and you need to do the AM2 which is about £400-500.

Plus you can be working in the industry throughout as a mate/improver somewhere to gain experience and earn while you learn!

 

[ipf]

This is very much like when I passed all my aircraft electrics and avionics stuff. My first real world was full of older boys saying your not a real fairy/greeny (spark) we learnt to component level. Shame the old ****s couldn't turn a computer on. Times change and so does the model of teaching. In the old days you learn in college to count to 5 then on site would get you to 10. Now it's learn to 1 then learn the rest on site. Quicker cheaper and in the end you get the same result. I've worked with old sweats who were terrible with wiring hand skills and even basic calcs. But some of my apprentices were amazing and just needed confidence. I bet you will soon see commercial and industrial root the same as DI.

Oh, so that's why the industry is going to pot and the general standard of work has descended so much, I suppose?
Like you say....quicker and cheaper...but when it comes to getting the same results, no way.

 

[Powellm]

Oh, so that's why the industry is going to pot and the general standard of work has descended so much, I suppose?
Like you say....quicker and cheaper...but when it comes to getting the same results, no way.

Now you say that I completely agree. Whilst I'm not an electrical installer and don't have am2 etc I do maintain all control and power electrics to over 2000 machines and install new equipment. I've just seen my mate who has the 5 day course do a gate install and......... it was pants!!! He knows all the lingo and everything like that but my god it was horrendous!!!

 

[BruvDunk]

Paul- if your son/daughter doesn’t mind training for 2-3years they can get full gold card requirements for JIB without doing short courses.

A lot of colleges offer 2365 level 2 and 3 as evening courses (two evenings a week)- one year for level 2 (less than £2000 in most places and paid in instalments over the year), another year for level 3 (paid for by government no matter how old you are or what previous qualifications you have, but only if done at a college and not a training centre).

They can then do the NVQ Level 3 in the third year- or alongside the level 3 which is what I am doing now. NVQ is about £1000 and you need to do the AM2 which is about £400-500.

Plus you can be working in the industry throughout as a mate/improver somewhere to gain experience and earn while you learn!

Yes I agree, he's already done the 2 years and gained his 2365, its the next step he's struggling with... Actually finding someone to take him on as a mate/improver.. He lives up near Liverpool which is miles from where I live.

 

[Burtones]

Yes I agree, he's already done the 2 years and gained his 2365, its the next step he's struggling with... Actually finding someone to take him on as a mate/improver.. He lives up near Liverpool which is miles from where I live.

He’s almost there then! If he’s already got the level 3 and can financially take the risk then there’s lots of agency work up here! I’m in Liverpool- I got an improver position for a housing trust through an agency about 8-9months ago and I’ve just been taken on with a 12month contract.

I want to do some commercial/industrial but this will see me through to qualifying at least!

Once he gets work somewhere inphase in Liverpool do the nvq for £850 plus vat- or there’s xstraining online where I’m doing mine

 

[MJPD29]

There is no Part P in Scotland, we didn't bother with the domestic installer course.

There is no part p here either thankfully