302 written, what books can i take in?

[ExArmy]

got this tomorrow, college has not yet given a definitive guide to books that can and can't be taken into the exam,

are the following books allowed:

• BS7671:2008
• On Site Guide
• Guidance note 3

?
thanks

 

[AP Electrical]

Reason you can have brb and osg is because its has possible cable calc questions and other related things to do with brb,
the whole point of 302 is to show you have an understanding of the brb not know it back to front.

 

[pushrod]

The 2391-303 is an open book exam.

It is the written exam of the 2391-20 examination.

As far as i remember i was allowed BS7671 in unit 302 of the 2391-10 they didn't expect me to remember figures that could be looked up, eg Zs values. they expected me to be able to use the book and interpret it. Unit 301 is only closed book because the questions are considered to be every day tasks that are common in the workplace, and even then it will provide info that you would normally look up.

It is far more important that you can use and interpret these publications such as the OSG and BS7671 rather than try to remember them. I am sure that the regs books of the people you would call "more competent sparks" are very well thumbed. The 2391-10 is intended for experienced electricians who are experienced in testing - it seems a lot of centres are entering inexperienced candidates and the examiners suggest this in their reports as to a main reason to explain pass rates.
Yes over time, as you become more experienced, you start to remember things, but the key thing is to be able to know how to check, interpret and apply regulations. Having a book in a timed exam is no use at all unless you are very familiar with it and can use it quickly

 

[AP Electrical]

They let us take red amicus in as well , which was nice. -but little use

 

[Electricalserv]

The 2391-303 is an open book exam.

It is the written exam of the 2391-20 examination.

As far as i remember i was allowed BS7671 in unit 302 of the 2391-10 they didn't expect me to remember figures that could be looked up, eg Zs values. they expected me to be able to use the book and interpret it. Unit 301 is only closed book because the questions are considered to be every day tasks that are common in the workplace, and even then it will provide info that you would normally look up.

It is far more important that you can use and interpret these publications such as the OSG and BS7671 rather than try to remember them. I am sure that the regs books of the people you would call "more competent sparks" are very well thumbed. The 2391-10 is intended for experienced electricians who are experienced in testing - it seems a lot of centres are entering inexperienced candidates and the examiners suggest this in their reports as to a main reason to explain pass rates.
Yes over time, as you become more experienced, you start to remember things, but the key thing is to be able to know how to check, interpret and apply regulations. Having a book in a timed exam is no use at all unless you are very familiar with it and can use it quickly

You are rambling on about rubbish pushrod. We are talking about written exams being open/closed book and you bring practicle exams into it? what are you talking about.

The 2391 written is not open book. Never has been and never should be and that was my point. Its got a low pass rate because of this...because you need the technical knowledge in your head to pass it. Thats most likely the reason why people pass the 2330 302 and not the 2391-10, because there is no help from any source

 

[AP Electrical]

You are rambling on about rubbish pushrod. We are talking about written exams being open/closed book and you bring practicle exams into it? what are you talking about.

The 2391 written is not open book. Never has been and never should be and that was my point. Its got a low pass rate because of this...because you need the technical knowledge in your head to pass it. Thats most likely the reason why people pass the 2330 302 and not the 2391-10, because there is no help from any source

Can never understand why people who pass 2391 get the god complex? Its just an exam
And I know a good few who have passed because they hit the books but can barely tie there shoelaces
A good way to tell If someone has 2391 is velcro instead of laces

 

[Electricalserv]

Whats that meant to mean? Out of interest have you passed the exam?

 

[AP Electrical]

Whats that meant to mean? Out of interest have you passed the exam?

Meant to mean you can do a 20week course with no prev exp and get put thru 2391 before you
Suggest I'm incorrect google it, no I don't have it does that mean I'm not as clever as you? Also why pm me same question?

 

[Electricalserv]

Meant to mean you can do a 20week course with no prev exp and get put thru 2391 before you
Suggest I'm incorrect google it, no I don't have it does that mean I'm not as clever as you? Also why pm me same question?

And which electrical qualification can't you do that with? You don't have it. Ahh well there you go then.

 

[AP Electrical]

You misunderstand not 20 weeks just on 2391 20 weeks for all course
Including brb & pat testing etc.
From your response reckon there's a chance you did it that way, if so brill
Your the best and win.

 

[Electricalserv]

You misunderstand not 20 weeks just on 2391 20 weeks for all course
Including brb & pat testing etc.
From your response reckon there's a chance you did it that way, if so brill
Your the best and win.

Id like to see the pass rate of those 20 week courses for 2391 I would be very very surprised if any passed.

Do enlist for the 2391 its easy!!! if you can do velcros you will pass it....get real. You justa have a chip because you haven't done it.

 

[AP Electrical]

Id like to see the pass rate of those 20 week courses for 2391 I would be very very surprised if any passed.

Do enlist for the 2391 its easy!!! if you can do velcros you will pass it....get real. You justa have a chip because you haven't done it.

Yep prob right fella like I said your no1 and don't let anyone tell you any different.

 

[Electricalserv]

Yep prob right fella like I said your no1 and don't let anyone tell you any different.

Nice meeting amateur

 

[AP Electrical]

Nice meeting amateur

Why you sending me offensive pm's , I don't proclaim to be anything other
Than an apprentice check my prev posts, after checking some of your posts its
Obvious you don't like people very much.
Continue to pm me and we will fall out fella, if you can't put it on a open forum
Its not worth saying.

 

[pushrod]

You are rambling on about rubbish pushrod. We are talking about written exams being open/closed book and you bring practicle exams into it? what are you talking about.

The 2391 written is not open book. Never has been and never should be and that was my point. Its got a low pass rate because of this...because you need the technical knowledge in your head to pass it. Thats most likely the reason why people pass the 2330 302 and not the 2391-10, because there is no help from any source

Sorry Electricalserv but you need to be precise. The 2391 as such is not an exam . There are two exams- the 2391-10 (inspection and testing certificate) and the 2391-20 (the design, erection and verification certificate). Unit 303 belongs to the latter and as i , and simpson, said earlier it is an open book exam, check on the C&G website if you don't believe us.
The 2391 -10 is an exam comprising of two units and you are assessed in what you write in both. The 301 unit is exclusively a written exam and the 302 is the unit concerning practical and results entry (still involving writing)

I have already said why the examiners think the pass rate is low and they make it closed book - because they believe the subjects should be common place to the people taking the exam. (read their reports)

With regard to the 2330 level 2 and 3 some exams are on line(closed book) and some are open book including the ones that take place in the workshop. Open book exams are widely recognised in many forms of educational assessment - they are not necessarily easier because of this - they allow you demonstrate other areas of ability. An electrician needs to know their way quickly and easily around BS7671 and the OSG etc not least because of the 2382-20 and 2391-20.
We can continue this discussion on the forum if you want - not PM.

you can thank me if you like for my informative post

BTW I have never been accused of rambling on about rubbish before and does it matter if i have passed this exam before i comment on it

 

[Electricalserv]

Why you sending me offensive pm's , I don't proclaim to be anything other
Than an apprentice check my prev posts, after checking some of your posts its
Obvious you don't like people very much.
Continue to pm me and we will fall out fella, if you can't put it on a open forum
Its not worth saying.

I have put everything on the open forum.... You where the one slagging of people with the 2391....laces and velcros come to mind!!!!