5 week wonders:

[Robotstar5]

I agree to a certain extent I am also in the industrial sector. The problem with our sector is dumbing down the installs in the name of progress. Not "really" in heavy industry but it is still there to a certain extent....These types of modular installs have buggered up the big commercial jobs. Deskilling is rife mate.

I've always been in industrial maintenance, when applying for my current job, I couldn't get to the interview stage without providing proof of my indentured apprenticeship, certificate of craftsmanship etc.

 

[rompling]

I reckon a lot of them have or are being employed on shop fits from what i can make of it!! lol!!

Meaning ?

 

[Engineer54]

I agree to a certain extent I am also in the industrial sector. The problem with our sector is dumbing down the installs in the name of progress. Not "really" in heavy industry but it is still there to a certain extent....These types of modular installs have buggered up the big commercial jobs. Deskilling is rife mate. You have mates that do all containment and even wiring with one spark in charge of 10 mates as an example. So the issues are similar with pay and standards slipping. As said to get a JIB gold card is still the same as always. The trouble is the way the big companies have slipped in the installer grade by the back door...as it is actually happening on site. The Glasgow Southern General hospital being a case in point....all modular install through the whole job. Done by mainly "mates" and also SJIB sparks working for a SJIB firm for less than the rates...no union representation nothing.....
If anybody thinks these modular installs are a good thing then they could have a good laugh at the end result on the above job. Tons of faults at the end of the job. Apparently some of the modular kit came on site with faults and was installed anyway by the "mates". If this is progress them im a dutchman haha.

When i first come into the industry many of the bigger projects had gangs of containment fitters. They went from big project to big project and were worth their weight in gold as containment systems went up at a rate and standard of consistency even experienced electricians couldn't match. So not that much of a change if those mates are doing a decent job of the containment.


As for modular systems, they haven't created a decent system since they first hit the scene in the 70's, yet another false economy that pleases/impresses young design Engineers but few others...

 

[Engineer54]

Meaning ?

Meaning, ...by the type and amount of crap work being installed on shop fits!!

 

[PEG]

No different a southern-slide in many a trade...take us blacksmiths,once we were the focal point of a village,we fixed what needed fixing,hot,cold,whatever.We pulled teeth,did minor operations,saw fairplay in disputes,and when a young bride was slow in knocking a pup out,once again we stepped in to sort the job out...the throw-away society with most consumer items containing factored inbuilt obsolescence...haven't been asked to make a dinner-triangle in months...(p.s. only PART of this is in jest) :conehead:

 

[alanl]

You've obviously not seen the news that the JIB will now allow 'unqualified' people to become JIB Gold Card memebers:
Assessment Route to NVQ3 standard now available | Joint Industry Board

Good news or bad?
It helps people who never completed an apprenticeship to be able to work on Sites, but could it also allow Electrical Trainee's to register too?
Hopefully the requirements will be adhered too, so the membership will still be of a good quality.
Or, could it be like Part P, where a small amount of knwledge can get a person in?

 

[Knobhead]

“Now, these people can not only have their skills properly accredited, but also gain access to a gold Electrician ECS card in order to open up more work opportunities and demonstrate their competence to the industry Level 3 standard.”

Who the hell do the JIB think they are?

I’ve had lads in for interview that showed me their JIB gold card, they seemed to think it meant something. I want to see indentures and written proof of experience.

 

[Guest77]

pretty bad news, mind you that will be basic grading, I cannot see a Electrical Trainee getting a technicians card surely?

 

[alanl]

It is pretty simple to get a basic card, this new scheme will allow access to a Gold card by people who have the technical qualifications, backed up by them passing a JIB assessment, to allow them to have a Gold card.
So, it is pretty much open to anyone with the relevant experience and skills.

 

[pitkin2020]

You've obviously not seen the news that the JIB will now allow 'unqualified' people to become JIB Gold Card memebers:
Assessment Route to NVQ3 standard now available | Joint Industry Board

Good news or bad?
It helps people who never completed an apprenticeship to be able to work on Sites, but could it also allow Electrical Trainee's to register too?
Hopefully the requirements will be adhered too, so the membership will still be of a good quality.
Or, could it be like Part P, where a small amount of knwledge can get a person in?

You've clearly not read the article you linked as it doesn't allow "unqualified" to obtain a card you still have to prove your competency.

I find it amusing the attitude of some that unless you've done an apprenticeship your not qualified or even competent.

Whilst I'm not qualified I am working towards it and as an adult learner this is pretty much my only route into the industry as finding an apprenticeship is virtually impossible as companies can't pay the lower rate but would have to pay NMW.

At the end of the day you still have to prove your competency and you've got to pass the AM2. which seeing from the guys currently on my course several of which are in their 3rd year of apprenticeships they haven't got any more skills for doing it that route as those that took the AM2 a couple weeks ago all failed.

Btw I'm not saying go to college and do the book work you can call yourself qualified, real on site experience and doing the job is always going to be more beneficial but with out doing the first part not companies won't entertain you and actually get a job is nigh on impossible.

 

[davesparks]

The AM2 is a lot easier now than it was a few years ago when they changed the content!

 

[Guest77]

The AM2 is a lot easier now than it was a few years ago when they changed the content!

Although I and many here totally agree dave I hope you have your tin hat on

 

[Bobster]

The AM2 is a lot easier now than it was a few years ago when they changed the content!

Completely agree with this, not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

 

[pitkin2020]

Completely agree with this, not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

I'm sure the guys on my course who failed would disagree lol

 

[Bobster]

Then they defiantly would have failed the origional, failing this one just shows a poorer standard of teaching/ colleges pushing people through to fast.