Hehe you just reminded me of a chapel we done when I was an apprentice. a lot of surface work, metal conduit and micc. There was one lad who's project was to "improve" his conduit skills. So he was given a nice bit to do which included an arch and a few obsticles that required bubbles and sets ect ect.....we all called his pile of conduit the "conduit graveyard" which we also attached a "headstone" inscribed here lies this jobs profit......funny enough the lad ended up one of the better guys with metal conduit. Similar stuff happened with the micc where a bad end made off so badly that the cable would need re-run....again the apprentices learned pretty quickly. All good fun when working with a "proper" firm with guys who would take the time to show the young ones how the job should be done.
Forget the niceties of conduit and pyro......have just returned home as have a gap in my day for a couple of hours to find that a neighbour a few doors down has run a shower cable (looks like 10mm but might be 6mm, can't tell) in 6242Y with no other protection, vertically up the external end gable wall that gets all the sun, not even remotely straight, unclipped in the vertical, probably straight into the wylex box that all these places had originally....... and it wasn't the bloke who did it, it was some Electrical Trainee chancer in a van. Why the chuff do we bother?
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Conduit training was done mostly on site mate you got given a pile of pipe, a pipe bender and the other tools needed to crack on, if you were lucky you got shown off a spark who could bend pipe and if you weren't, well your conduit graveyard was a lot bigger and more lads would take the ****, you were also taught it at college, we were given a booth to pipe out with all the different types of bends and sets and they had to be perfect to pass that assesment
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But a bending block can give you any radius bend you want, so you can follow a curved wall perfectly with a little practice.
You can achieve this with former too, keep moving your set around the former, slow bends etc
you know your starting to get the hang of it when you do a set,90 and a bubble set without using a running coupler.
as a disclaimer i wouldn't go that much for power but for temp sensors its no issue having loads of bends.
they briefly mentioned micc at college but didnt do a lot of conduit, then again i got a lot of practise bending steel in the plumbing workshop.
Tbh we have done very little with metal conduit, one task at level 2 and I don't think there are any for level 3 thinking about it. PVC conduit though quite a few tasks last year but it's cheaper than metal!!! Lol
when i did level 3 there wasnt any practical at all.
apart from a trip to ratcliff on soar
I think all out practicals this year are around motor control along with test an inspection
I disagree. They dropped the pyro, because it's rarely used anymore, and they dropped the tube work as it's essentially a mate's job on site now. You still have to do the rest of the installation, and the testing and fault finding hasn't changed.
I don't know whether you had to or not before, but now you have to do risk assessments amongst other things.
It's still a decent ask in terms of basic competency in the time frame they give you to do it.
Ok, after posting that, I just read the rest of the thread.
Maybe I was just lucky, but I got on a few consecutive jobs that involved a LOT of steel conduit work. I had read the relevant section in the textbook, and applied the rules regarding using the set square routine, and bending from above, or below, then started using the marks on the former, which were inaccurate so made my own with a hacksaw. After a couple of bends I was making perfect sets to the millimetre. I don't understand the mindset that it's somehow a black art!
As regards pyro, I only covered it minimally in college, but we did cover it, as I'm sure all good colleges still will as it's part of the curriculum. Now don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be the fastest on site now, and a couple of years ago I was in the plant room of the Evening Post building in Bristol, where there is miles of the stuff, all beautifully dressed in, and I thought 'bloody hell'!
However, having done it a couple of times in college, when the site labourer drilled a piece in half on a job in Bath, I stepped up to the mark (as a level two student) and made off both the ends into a through box no problem.
I keep thinking of Ripley's line in Aliens 'did IQ levels just drop suddenly around here?'
Anyone with half a bit of actual interest in the job, and some concern for doing a decent job (previously known as 'pride in your work') can pick this stuff up easily.
Yes, mistakes will be made, it's all part of the 'learning' process, but you never saw a conduit 'graveyard' as part of one of my jobs. Slow learners perhaps?
Maybe I was just lucky, but I got on a few consecutive jobs that involved a LOT of steel conduit work. I had read the relevant section in the textbook, and applied the rules regarding using the set square routine, and bending from above, or below, then started using the marks on the former, which were inaccurate so made my own with a hacksaw. After a couple of bends I was making perfect sets to the millimetre. I don't understand the mindset that it's somehow a black art!
As regards pyro, I only covered it minimally in college, but we did cover it, as I'm sure all good colleges still will as it's part of the curriculum. Now don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be the fastest on site now, and a couple of years ago I was in the plant room of the Evening Post building in Bristol, where there is miles of the stuff, all beautifully dressed in, and I thought 'bloody hell'!
However, having done it a couple of times in college, when the site labourer drilled a piece in half on a job in Bath, I stepped up to the mark (as a level two student) and made off both the ends into a through box no problem.
I keep thinking of Ripley's line in Aliens 'did IQ levels just drop suddenly around here?'
Anyone with half a bit of actual interest in the job, and some concern for doing a decent job (previously known as 'pride in your work') can pick this stuff up easily.
Yes, mistakes will be made, it's all part of the 'learning' process, but you never saw a conduit 'graveyard' as part of one of my jobs. Slow learners perhaps?
i only end up with scrap if im having a brainfart and bend it the wrong way
I usually find I can use it somewhere on a large job, switch drops, between boxes etc.. most waste you end up with is the odd 90 degree 300mm length. There is always going to be a % waste on any large steel conduit job, you just have to use your imagination/ initiative.
I can only assume that this is in short supply given some of the posts.
The AM2 was and has never been a difficult exam
While conduit may now be a considered a mates job the electrician still has to have the knowledge and competence to supervise and installation
Test and inspection with the advent of the 2391 which has moved on to the 2394 & 5 has become a separate money spinner on it's own so I can only assume some watering down there and fault finding is a skill which is developed over many years so the given task is generally a simple one
It's a few years since I've had any contact with anybody doing the AM2 but back in the 80's and 90's as an employer I had a number of apprentices do the AM2 the one thing I found was that it put little or no pressure on the candidate as some of the tasks were IMO allotted too much time
Whether it is still a decent yardstick of basic competency will always be open to debate
I have done a lot of conduit over the years and always used the marks on the former but have come across plenty of formers that people had chosen to recalibrate to help cause confusion found it easy to add or subtract the necessary few millimetres to get it right
Making off a few ends is not difficult always found the skill with pyro was dressing a handful of cables then terminating them into an enclosure so they all look symetrical
Anybody can pick it up as they go along without ever knowing the reasons why or being given any understanding of the materials being used it's been seen on here that all to often anybody mentioning a pyro fault will be told rip it out and stick some FP in which will probably be installed without the correct clips
People these days are not slow learners they know it all already so a 5 week course to become qualified is all that is needed
You're contradicting yourself. It can't be both.
Makes an --- of You and Me. Talk about what you KNOW about.
Whoopee doo for you. I found the marks inaccurate so made my own and encourage anyone to do so, even if it's only in marker pen. The ones I did for myself saved a lot of time in re-cutting conduit to get the right length.
Totally agree, hence my appreciation of the dressing in of the installation mentioned.
I'm not sure how this is relevant to anything I have said. I have never suggested ripping out Pyro and installing FP.
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