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slightlyoff topic, but hre's something that has been bugging me for ages.

when applying the temp. factor ( 1.2 ) to your loop impedance as per osg., why apply it to the whole Zs value and not just to the R1+R2, when the supply cable from sub-station is never going to approach anything like 70 deg. ????

thoughts???
May be a good idea to add to the 18th consultancy debate Tel, but never given that much thought to it, make you think though, good point
 
slightlyoff topic, but hre's something that has been bugging me for ages.

when applying the temp. factor ( 1.2 ) to your loop impedance as per osg., why apply it to the whole Zs value and not just to the R1+R2, when the supply cable from sub-station is never going to approach anything like 70 deg. ????

thoughts???

Because it's a rule of thumb from the OSG.

You can calculate actual operating temperatures if you wish, and derate using those values. However I don't believe this would be worthwhile in a domestic environment.
 
slightlyoff topic, but hre's something that has been bugging me for ages.

when applying the temp. factor ( 1.2 ) to your loop impedance as per osg., why apply it to the whole Zs value and not just to the R1+R2, when the supply cable from sub-station is never going to approach anything like 70 deg. ????

thoughts???
We do by doing the rule of thumb 80% values of those given in bs 7671.
This has already been taken into account
As there's a 20% difference in operating temperature between 20 degrees and 70 degrees
Example if we want to adjust our zs value of 1.37 say 10 degrees for a type B mcb then it's 1.37 x 0.96=1.31
If we want to adjust back to 70 degrees then it's 1.31/ 1.2= 1.09 ohms which is our rule of thumb value.
 
slightlyoff topic, but hre's something that has been bugging me for ages.

when applying the temp. factor ( 1.2 ) to your loop impedance as per osg., why apply it to the whole Zs value and not just to the R1+R2, when the supply cable from sub-station is never going to approach anything like 70 deg. ????

thoughts???
May be a good idea to add to the 18th consultancy debate Tel, but never given that much thought to it, make you think though, good point
 
Tel said when the supply cable from sub-station is never going to approach anything like 70 deg. ????

A few years ago a new build hotel I worked on had 3ph 185 mm at the supply
A Jcb driver managed to chop the suppliers incomer
What looked like no bigger than about a 16mm suppliers cable for the hotel was also supplying a lot of the houses in the local area,I would think that cable was one hot cookie when in full flow
 
slightlyoff topic, but hre's something that has been bugging me for ages.

when applying the temp. factor ( 1.2 ) to your loop impedance as per osg., why apply it to the whole Zs value and not just to the R1+R2, when the supply cable from sub-station is never going to approach anything like 70 deg. ????

thoughts???

Which page of the OSG is the calc on?

At a guess they're trying to aire on the side of caution???. The actual design formula is Zs=Ze+1.2(R1+R2).

Problem is you get two different results. I've just plucked some numbers out of the air, Ze-0.35, R1+R2-1.12.

Using the design calc I get 1.274 ohms. Zs=Ze+1.2(R1+R2)

Using the OSG calc I get 1.344 ohms. Zs=1.2(Ze+(R1+R2))

So in some cases the incorrect CSA cable could be used, although this would only mean going up a size.
 

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