!8th Edition - will it be a new mandatory qualification

[Gavin John Hyde]

Just been thinking about the 18th edition thats being worked on.

Understandably all the various schemes will make it a mandatory qualification to join one of them.

At what point will all the various training bodies start offering the usual city and guilds courses in the subject? Also will they have capacity for all the electricians needing the new course?

Will there be a smaller upgrade course for those with the most recent 17th ed qualifications?

Either way this is a nice money making exercise for lots of bodies. From the technical bodies through to publishers and course providers. they are all looking to make a fair amount of profit out of us.

The Mandatory books and onsite guides, copies of various guidance notes... looking at couple of hundred for these alone.
Mandatory course to get a 18th ed qualification another couple of hundred.

If you run a business with several employees then you are looking at a big outlay.

I sometimes think the cowboys have the right idea, sod the rules and regs and just call yourself 17th edition qualified and solve all problems with a bit of insulation tape.

 

[Pete999]

The changes are small .... So if you know the 17th wouldn't a single day be enough?

Not really Murdoch because there is not enough money in it for the fat cats

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

I reckon these people who set up the certificate shops/ training centres where you go in and a few weeks later come out as a supposed qualified domestic electrician have the right idea.
If you know enough to teach the basics then you can set up as a city and guilds centre and offer the courses so newbies can join the likes of elecsa and niceic.
They charge around 2.5 to 3k a per person, so say 6 every week starting .Thats quite a cash turnover.... You wouldn't need many students through the door to have a nice retirement.
It pays a lot more than working as an electrician. they will be rubbing their hands together with the new 18th edition. a right money making opportunity with a captive market.

 

[Octopus]

^^ it's all rather pathetic really. Talk about unjustified changes....

 

[polo1]

There's absolutely no requirement to " do a course" for 7671 updates. Simply read up on the document, pay your C&G exam fee to an approved examination centre and Bob's yer Aunty.
Of course, you'll have to fork out for (or borrow) the big blue book.
Still no emojis!

 

[westward10]

I just go with the flow if you don't like it find another job

 

[JK-Electrical]

I reckon these people who set up the certificate shops/ training centres where you go in and a few weeks later come out as a supposed qualified domestic electrician have the right idea.
If you know enough to teach the basics then you can set up as a city and guilds centre and offer the courses so newbies can join the likes of elecsa and niceic.
They charge around 2.5 to 3k a per person, so say 6 every week starting .Thats quite a cash turnover.... You wouldn't need many students through the door to have a nice retirement.
It pays a lot more than working as an electrician. they will be rubbing their hands together with the new 18th edition. a right money making opportunity with a captive market.

Aye .... Tony Cable evidently realised this decades ago .....

"For the first time in 60 years the changes to the regulations won’t affect me as I’ll be retired. In some ways I’ll be sad about this as I’ve always looked forward to the latest changes – mainly because, for the last 36 years, I’ve been earning my living from researching them and putting together lesson plans, lectures and seminars to pass on my knowledge to help you all out there.."

 

[JK-Electrical]

They're already planning the first amendment * sighs *

"my spies tell me that they’re already working on amendment number 1 of the 18th Edition. The main reason for this is because our industry is evolving so quickly, with the regulations (somehow) having to keep up with all changes and any new products that come onto the market."

 

[davesparks]

Sinc when has BS7671 been Mandatory? it's a design / advisory document to help you comply with the EAW ACT which is mandatory, cus it's an ACT

It has been effectively mandatory in domestic installations since the introduction of part P

 

[7029 dave]

Mandatory or statutory, IMO your arse would be in a sling, if you was to deviate from bs7671.

 

[KennyKen]

I'm way far behind.. was 16th Edition. Lol

 

[telectrix]

I'm way far behind.. was 16th Edition. Lol

the last sensible edition, IMO.

 

[Ian1981]

Mandatory or statutory, IMO your arse would be in a sling, if you was to deviate from bs7671.

Tho you can depart from the regulations as long as it's noted and safety is not less than that given in bs7671 but yeah I see your point, literally the BYB will be thrown at you !

 

[Ian1981]

Mandatory or statutory, IMO your arse would be in a sling, if you was to deviate from bs7671.

Tho you can depart from the regulations as long as it's noted and safety is not less than that given in bs7671 but yeah I see your point, literally the BYB will be thrown at you !

 

[davesparks]

the last sensible edition, IMO.

I think they hit their peak of sensibility around the 13th/14th edition,

 

[Ian1981]

why was 6mm bonding the norm years ago?
Was it because most domestic supplies were limited to 60/80 amp supplies or did numerous problems occur on say tncs installations prompting a review of the CSA sized.
Quite interested to know what the older generation of electricians on here think about the past and present requirements and in particular the most over the top regulations altered/changed