A Moral issue?

[sparksburnout]

Been asked by a local pub to look into/improve some space heaters in the "smoking shelter". Seems a bit irresponsible to me this day and age, just wasting the earths resources trying to heat up the atmosphere while some people attempt to hasted their demise. What do you think, I thought Electricians were being encouraged to be energy efficient!

 

[KWCFC]

Speaking as a non smoker, pubs have gone downhill since the smoking ban. I can put up with a bit of smoke for a better atmosphere in a pub and better night out.

 

[GMES]

I have never forgotten the time a mate and me were on a night out in Sheffield way back in the eighties when it was ok to smoke in pubs, anyway we are sat at a table puffing away and obviously drinking, there were a middle aged couple at the next table ( Non-smokers ) anyway for at least an hour this sour faced woman was quite clearly faking a cough obviously hoping we would bugger off elsewhere when my mate as cool as a cucumber turned to her and said, bloody hell love it's a good job you don't smoke with a cough like that already. They proceeded to drink up and leave the pub.

 

[1Justin]

Been asked by a local pub to look into/improve some space heaters in the "smoking shelter". Seems a bit irresponsible to me this day and age, just wasting the earths resources trying to heat up the atmosphere while some people attempt to hasted their demise. What do you think, I thought Electricians were being encouraged to be energy efficient!

I agree, in the face of the vast hill humanity needs to climb, someone will always ask why 1 more patio heater is relevant, but that's the point, about 5 billion people say the same. It needs to start somewhere, and speaking up about it is half the battle won.
You could agree to fit it only if the pub sources electricity from one of the two only truly 100% green suppliers who use windmills, solar, hydro etc. (Ecotrcity or Good Energy). (Other suppliers so-called "green" tariffs often come with a big dose of greenwash, since much is derived from burning Canadian virgin boreal forests, processed and shipped over. (In Yorkshire DRAX for example.) It's not, as the argument goes, carbon neutral, and in the short term is probably worse than coal.

 

[uksrevivor]

IMO as a smoker we have had our turn let the non smokers sit outside in the damp cold so called smoking area. The good old days of sitting round a table in the warm pub playing cards with the old boys some smokers and some not no one complained about us puffing on our smoke as we checked our cards or puffing on our smoke to calm our nerves while getting slaughtered by the opposing teams dart player throwing good darts lol. The weird thing is in the summer you can hardly get a seat outside because all the non smokers are sat out there lol. Ahhh rant over lol

 

[telectrix]

IMO as a smoker we have had our turn let the non smokers sit outside in the damp cold so called smoking area. The good old days of sitting round a table in the warm pub playing cards with the old boys some smokers and some not no one complained about us puffing on our smoke as we checked our cards or puffing on our smoke to calm our nerves while getting slaughtered by the opposing teams dart player throwing good darts lol. The weird thing is in the summer you can hardly get a seat outside because all the non smokers are sat out there lol. Ahhh rant over lol

you forgot about all the beefed up child buggys on steroids that take up more space than 4 men.

 

[freddo]

As a non smoker I hate the smoking ban, all that wasted time walking to the edge of the grounds to the smoking area, while I have to carry on working! Not to mention all of those smokers crowded around the doorway of all the local pubs, bocking the pavements!

 

[telectrix]

well, if these places provided smoking areas that were fit for humans as opposed to pigs and eskimos, we'd not have to stand in the doorways.

 

[sparkdog]

No one bothered about all this in the 60s, smoke smoke everywhere, great!

 

[Diddy]

I don't get all the anti smoking stuff myself. I think the outright ban ...stinks for want of a better word. What would have been wrong with smoking areas say completely shut off. With a good ventilation system in place staffed by smokers ect. Or even a 10 percent of establishments in any area awarded an drinking and smoking license. I know one thing It has killed the pub game stone dead. There are other reasons but the smoking ban has moved people indoors with cheap supermarket booze, no bugger talking to each other apart from on the internet (Oh the irony lol).
Im sure the exchequer enjoys the tax from the people who don't buy the knockoffs lol. Im sick of hearing this "Don't treat them on nhs" and all that other stuff that clever people come up with. Lets face it if it were not for smokers then the nhs would have gone under years ago. I would also hazard a guess that our state pension system would have already collapsed "properly" had it not been for the early demise of these erstwhile tax payers.......Sometimes we should all be careful what we wish for.
As for the op...nah id refuse in your position...pass the job on to a smoker

 

[uksrevivor]

Just to add to my previous rant lol when the doors shut at closing time in my local and for some unknown reason there are a few of us left inside ahumm the ashtrays come out on the bar and the non smokers dont complain.

 

[sparksburnout]

Quite frankly I am staggered by some of the responses to this. I for one hated coming home from the pub with my clothes stinking of filthy smoke smoke, and it is great now you can go for a night out without having to put up with it. As for people who used to smoke in restaurants right next to people who were eating, they should have been machined gunned. Filthy horrible habit. I am quite amazed how people can make comments about some poor old gal choking on other peoples nasty horrible, and above all, deadly, second hand smoke. Wake up guys, the world has moved on, and it's one hell of a lot better. It wasn't OK in the sixties, if you were not a smoker, it was carp. I think I am going to turn the job down and let the b******s freeze to death, at least they won't be a drain on the NHS then.......

 

[sparksburnout]

I don't get all the anti smoking stuff myself. I think the outright ban ...stinks for want of a better word. What would have been wrong with smoking areas say completely shut off. With a good ventilation system in place staffed by smokers ect. Or even a 10 percent of establishments in any area awarded an drinking and smoking license. I know one thing It has killed the pub game stone dead. There are other reasons but the smoking ban has moved people indoors with cheap supermarket booze, no bugger talking to each other apart from on the internet (Oh the irony lol).
Im sure the exchequer enjoys the tax from the people who don't buy the knockoffs lol. Im sick of hearing this "Don't treat them on nhs" and all that other stuff that clever people come up with. Lets face it if it were not for smokers then the nhs would have gone under years ago. I would also hazard a guess that our state pension system would have already collapsed "properly" had it not been for the early demise of these erstwhile tax payers.......Sometimes we should all be careful what we wish for.
As for the op...nah id refuse in your position...pass the job on to a smoker

What a load of complete and utter rubbish. I bet you are one of the burks that would smoke in front of young kids or even in the same vehicle? Get real for gods sake.

 

[telectrix]

fair comment about smoking in a restaurant, but Diddy thinks like me. 1 room for smokers. 1 room for the fascist anti brigade. easy .

 

[GMES]

Quite frankly I am staggered by some of the responses to this. I for one hated coming home from the pub with my clothes stinking of filthy smoke smoke, and it is great now you can go for a night out without having to put up with it. As for people who used to smoke in restaurants right next to people who were eating, they should have been machined gunned. Filthy horrible habit. I am quite amazed how people can make comments about some poor old gal choking on other peoples nasty horrible, and above all, deadly, second hand smoke. Wake up guys, the world has moved on, and it's one hell of a lot better. It wasn't OK in the sixties, if you were not a smoker, it was carp. I think I am going to turn the job down and let the b******s freeze to death, at least they won't be a drain on the NHS then.......

Have a word with yourself mate, If you read my post again and take your time, you will see I clearly stated it was a fake cough,
I remember the days of Tap rooms and the lounge, the tap rooms were usually full of the smokers, the ironic part is that then all the non-smokers came and stood in the the Tap room breathing it in and now 30 years moan about passive smoking and how we are the work of the devil.
If people don't like smoker then don't stand next to us and then complain about it I would rather you a all bugger off and either Hug a tree or cuddle a polar bear !!!

 

[sparksburnout]

fair comment about smoking in a restaurant, but Diddy thinks like me. 1 room for smokers. 1 room for the fascist anti brigade. easy .

And what about the poor sods who have to WORK in there then?