Been asked by a local pub to look into/improve some space heaters in the "smoking shelter". Seems a bit irresponsible to me this day and age, just wasting the earths resources trying to heat up the atmosphere while some people attempt to hasted their demise. What do you think, I thought Electricians were being encouraged to be energy efficient!
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I was a smoker up until 11 years ago. I have no grudge against anyone that wants to do it, as long as it's not around me or my kids. Many times I have been to a pub and had to walk through people smoking in the doorway because it was cold outside or in the shelter. So for that reason I would do it. Just to get them out of the way of normal people that don't want to inhale their rubbish.
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Well carbon offsetting is the trendy moral pacifier, so offer to install the heaters if they change all their lighting to LED
several times i've been in these so called shelters. freezing cold. heaters either with burnt out tubes or switched off behind the bar. bad enough that we can't have a room ( bar area, say ) designated as smoking area, but shoved out into the cold in a freezing "shelter" with 3 sides open to the elements. it's a bummer. us smokers are being discriminated against in defiance of human rights. if it were women, blacks, muslims or gays that had to suffer, what an outcry there would be.
That's not a very nice thing to say about smokers?
I think they should allow smokers back in and ban kids. When we have brexited we can stop these daft continental ways.
I'm sure all of these have to smoke outside as well Tel.
Must be eh? These landlords are always pleading poverty though??
I can't stand the filthy habit,even after partaking of the disgusting habit, the practitioners then have the audacity to dispose of their filth on the floor or if outside on the pavement,it can completely ruin your clothes
It also costs me (via my council tax) for the filth to be removed and I really resent this cost
Many times whilst out enjoying a smoke (out of the way of the self righteous) I contemplate why people chew gum then spit the filth anywhere without shame
It also costs me (via my council tax) for the filth to be removed and I really resent this cost
Many times whilst out enjoying a smoke (out of the way of the self righteous) I contemplate why people chew gum then spit the filth anywhere without shame
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GMES
I have never forgotten the time a mate and me were on a night out in Sheffield way back in the eighties when it was ok to smoke in pubs, anyway we are sat at a table puffing away and obviously drinking, there were a middle aged couple at the next table ( Non-smokers ) anyway for at least an hour this sour faced woman was quite clearly faking a cough obviously hoping we would bugger off elsewhere when my mate as cool as a cucumber turned to her and said, bloody hell love it's a good job you don't smoke with a cough like that already. They proceeded to drink up and leave the pub.
I agree, in the face of the vast hill humanity needs to climb, someone will always ask why 1 more patio heater is relevant, but that's the point, about 5 billion people say the same. It needs to start somewhere, and speaking up about it is half the battle won.
You could agree to fit it only if the pub sources electricity from one of the two only truly 100% green suppliers who use windmills, solar, hydro etc. (Ecotrcity or Good Energy). (Other suppliers so-called "green" tariffs often come with a big dose of greenwash, since much is derived from burning Canadian virgin boreal forests, processed and shipped over. (In Yorkshire DRAX for example.) It's not, as the argument goes, carbon neutral, and in the short term is probably worse than coal.
IMO as a smoker we have had our turn let the non smokers sit outside in the damp cold so called smoking area. The good old days of sitting round a table in the warm pub playing cards with the old boys some smokers and some not no one complained about us puffing on our smoke as we checked our cards or puffing on our smoke to calm our nerves while getting slaughtered by the opposing teams dart player throwing good darts lol. The weird thing is in the summer you can hardly get a seat outside because all the non smokers are sat out there lol. Ahhh rant over lol
you forgot about all the beefed up child buggys on steroids that take up more space than 4 men.
As a non smoker I hate the smoking ban, all that wasted time walking to the edge of the grounds to the smoking area, while I have to carry on working! Not to mention all of those smokers crowded around the doorway of all the local pubs, bocking the pavements!
I don't get all the anti smoking stuff myself. I think the outright ban ...stinks for want of a better word. What would have been wrong with smoking areas say completely shut off. With a good ventilation system in place staffed by smokers ect. Or even a 10 percent of establishments in any area awarded an drinking and smoking license. I know one thing It has killed the pub game stone dead. There are other reasons but the smoking ban has moved people indoors with cheap supermarket booze, no bugger talking to each other apart from on the internet (Oh the irony lol).
Im sure the exchequer enjoys the tax from the people who don't buy the knockoffs lol. Im sick of hearing this "Don't treat them on nhs" and all that other stuff that clever people come up with. Lets face it if it were not for smokers then the nhs would have gone under years ago. I would also hazard a guess that our state pension system would have already collapsed "properly" had it not been for the early demise of these erstwhile tax payers.......Sometimes we should all be careful what we wish for.
As for the op...nah id refuse in your position...pass the job on to a smoker
Im sure the exchequer enjoys the tax from the people who don't buy the knockoffs lol. Im sick of hearing this "Don't treat them on nhs" and all that other stuff that clever people come up with. Lets face it if it were not for smokers then the nhs would have gone under years ago. I would also hazard a guess that our state pension system would have already collapsed "properly" had it not been for the early demise of these erstwhile tax payers.......Sometimes we should all be careful what we wish for.
As for the op...nah id refuse in your position...pass the job on to a smoker
Just to add to my previous rant lol when the doors shut at closing time in my local and for some unknown reason there are a few of us left inside ahumm the ashtrays come out on the bar and the non smokers dont complain.
Quite frankly I am staggered by some of the responses to this. I for one hated coming home from the pub with my clothes stinking of filthy smoke smoke, and it is great now you can go for a night out without having to put up with it. As for people who used to smoke in restaurants right next to people who were eating, they should have been machined gunned. Filthy horrible habit. I am quite amazed how people can make comments about some poor old gal choking on other peoples nasty horrible, and above all, deadly, second hand smoke. Wake up guys, the world has moved on, and it's one hell of a lot better. It wasn't OK in the sixties, if you were not a smoker, it was carp. I think I am going to turn the job down and let the b******s freeze to death, at least they won't be a drain on the NHS then.......
What a load of complete and utter rubbish. I bet you are one of the burks that would smoke in front of young kids or even in the same vehicle? Get real for gods sake.I don't get all the anti smoking stuff myself. I think the outright ban ...stinks for want of a better word. What would have been wrong with smoking areas say completely shut off. With a good ventilation system in place staffed by smokers ect. Or even a 10 percent of establishments in any area awarded an drinking and smoking license. I know one thing It has killed the pub game stone dead. There are other reasons but the smoking ban has moved people indoors with cheap supermarket booze, no bugger talking to each other apart from on the internet (Oh the irony lol).
Im sure the exchequer enjoys the tax from the people who don't buy the knockoffs lol. Im sick of hearing this "Don't treat them on nhs" and all that other stuff that clever people come up with. Lets face it if it were not for smokers then the nhs would have gone under years ago. I would also hazard a guess that our state pension system would have already collapsed "properly" had it not been for the early demise of these erstwhile tax payers.......Sometimes we should all be careful what we wish for.
As for the op...nah id refuse in your position...pass the job on to a smoker
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GMES
Have a word with yourself mate, If you read my post again and take your time, you will see I clearly stated it was a fake cough,
I remember the days of Tap rooms and the lounge, the tap rooms were usually full of the smokers, the ironic part is that then all the non-smokers came and stood in the the Tap room breathing it in and now 30 years moan about passive smoking and how we are the work of the devil.
If people don't like smoker then don't stand next to us and then complain about it I would rather you a all bugger off and either Hug a tree or cuddle a polar bear !!!
And what about the poor sods who have to WORK in there then?
No, you have a word with yourself mate. You are out of touch, those days are gone, thank goodness.
getting all the benefit of my smoke when i'm paying the 400% tax on the smokes to pay for their treatment for alcoholism on the nhs.
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GMES
I often do, I usually get more sense. But you have just called another member a BERK and presumed he smokes in front of kids and in the same car as them. I'm all for a good debate but if you can't reply without getting personal then the thread will end up getting derailed and then closed.
Oh were getting all uppity now we might be on a loser? For gods sake how many times have you been called, or called another guy a berk (big deal?) in a conversation in the workplace? The guy in question had some pretty controversial comments that need to be challenged, and in fact ARE challenged by modern thinking and legislation. Honestly, sometimes this place looks like PC heaven. I think your comments are a bit non PC actually, implying that I have no sense, but hey I am not going to make a big thing of it. Just lighten up man.
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GMES
Sparks, I am going to bow out of this thread because it is just going to go round and round in circles, nothing to do with being on a loser and that is the truth, I am a smoker you are not, you have your opinion and I and others have ours, it's called life. As for the pc heaven bit, we have to keep the threads on track and civil so we naturally have to pull members when they come out with comments that " May"offend another member.
Fair comment. I wouldn't get too wound up about being called a burk, personally. It's been said more than once, but I agree we can't descend into an unregulated free for all. So, I agree this thread is "SSSSSMOKING" too hot.
Both my parents died of smoking related disease so I am probably a bit biased.........rock on.
Thinks sparks must be burnt out. For what its worth I stopped smoking well before the smoking ban. I have never and would never smoke in front of kids, Nor did I ever smoke in a restaurant, It's called manners and class. Without getting into --- for tat maybe you should apply some manners and class to your thoughts before you post.
The reason I defend smoker is simple. they pay their tax and know the risks. Until such time as nanny tells us it's illegal then im afraid the anti brigade are going to have to keep chipping. Now I'll bid you all goodnight as I have a large vodka and a movie on pause....Evening gents.
The reason I defend smoker is simple. they pay their tax and know the risks. Until such time as nanny tells us it's illegal then im afraid the anti brigade are going to have to keep chipping. Now I'll bid you all goodnight as I have a large vodka and a movie on pause....Evening gents.
"Nor did I ever smoke in a restaurant, It's called manners and class".
Well, a lot of people certainly didn't have either! If there was one thing that used to worry the hell out of me back in those days, was "Oh how I hope we don't get sat next to a table of smokers". Plenty of people used to think it was OK to light up while other people were still eating, even between courses! Thank god those days are over.
Well, a lot of people certainly didn't have either! If there was one thing that used to worry the hell out of me back in those days, was "Oh how I hope we don't get sat next to a table of smokers". Plenty of people used to think it was OK to light up while other people were still eating, even between courses! Thank god those days are over.
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