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I think marking up on material 35% is ripping someone off tbh. My opinion though.

Transporting goods and alike would be covered by 10% on your average rewire. which is what I do. Most wholesalers now deliver to site for a small fee. Each to their own. But marking up is basically selling goods on for a bigger fee than the customer could in all honesty get themself

Nearly - I almost replies to your initial ballpark statement of a global 10% mark up. Either way, making a comment like "a 35% mark up is a rip off" is pretty naive, being honest.

Perhaps you haven't seen the cost of diesel lately? I don't know how much it is in Liverpool, but at the moment, I'm paying an average £1.45 a litre on around 360l a month of the stuff. Somewhere I have to recover that cost - both for the travel to the job and for my guys collecting stuff from suppliers.

Of course, as I said earlier, I could, conceivably, take that mark up off my materials, and add it back to my labour element - which would penalise customers NOT using my materials. That's closer ripping someone off, IMO.

What about guys that buy in stock ahead of time - should they not cover the cost of storing that?

We're talking about a difference here, by the way of around £2.50 in every ten quid. Or put another way, we're talking about charging a 35% mark up on parts, with a say, £30 an hour labour charge - OR, we're talking about a 10% mark up on materials and a £35 labour charge.

The point is, neither is a rip off, per se. What is is, though, is a business model. It's about applying mark up in the fairest way, or in simple terms making a profit in a way which reflects what your customers use from you.

Nobody HAS to apply a 35% mark up, any more than they have to apply a 10% mark up - the fact that you apply 10% is what works for YOUR business - not necessarily anyone elses. And that doesn't mean they're ripping anyone else off either.

What you're saying, certainly the way you've written it, is that anyone charging more than 10% mark up on parts is, defacto, ripping their customers off. That's a damn silly thing to say without knowing how their business works. IMO.

As for your comments about selling goods on for a bigger fee than the customer could in all honesty get for themselves......well, yeah.....what do you think your wholesaler is doing to you? You think they're only putting a few percent on what they pay from the manufacturer?

Here's a thought - what about underwriting the warranty on the manufacturer's goods - who pays for that? The manufacturer? Wholesaler? Not likely. When was the last time (apart from major recalls) that you got back your petrol and time for replacing a "widget" that failed under warranty?

That mark up doesn't just cover what the customer COULD have paid for it, but your time in getting it, selecting it as best for the job, transporting it, storing it safely, tracking warranty on it, and so on and on.

I'm not trying to suggest that you;re wrong, by the way, in what you mark your products up by - that works for you. But what I am saying is that suggesting blanket fashion that a 35% markup is a rip off, is wrong when you don't know why it's been marked up by that amount.
 
Nearly - I almost replies to your initial ballpark statement of a global 10% mark up. Either way, making a comment like "a 35% mark up is a rip off" is pretty naive, being honest.

Perhaps you haven't seen the cost of diesel lately? I don't know how much it is in Liverpool, but at the moment, I'm paying an average £1.45 a litre on around 360l a month of the stuff. Somewhere I have to recover that cost - both for the travel to the job and for my guys collecting stuff from suppliers.

Of course, as I said earlier, I could, conceivably, take that mark up off my materials, and add it back to my labour element - which would penalise customers NOT using my materials. That's closer ripping someone off, IMO.

What about guys that buy in stock ahead of time - should they not cover the cost of storing that?

We're talking about a difference here, by the way of around £2.50 in every ten quid. Or put another way, we're talking about charging a 35% mark up on parts, with a say, £30 an hour labour charge - OR, we're talking about a 10% mark up on materials and a £35 labour charge.

The point is, neither is a rip off, per se. What is is, though, is a business model. It's about applying mark up in the fairest way, or in simple terms making a profit in a way which reflects what your customers use from you.

Nobody HAS to apply a 35% mark up, any more than they have to apply a 10% mark up - the fact that you apply 10% is what works for YOUR business - not necessarily anyone elses. And that doesn't mean they're ripping anyone else off either.

What you're saying, certainly the way you've written it, is that anyone charging more than 10% mark up on parts is, defacto, ripping their customers off. That's a damn silly thing to say without knowing how their business works. IMO.

As for your comments about selling goods on for a bigger fee than the customer could in all honesty get for themselves......well, yeah.....what do you think your wholesaler is doing to you? You think they're only putting a few percent on what they pay from the manufacturer?

Here's a thought - what about underwriting the warranty on the manufacturer's goods - who pays for that? The manufacturer? Wholesaler? Not likely. When was the last time (apart from major recalls) that you got back your petrol and time for replacing a "widget" that failed under warranty?

That mark up doesn't just cover what the customer COULD have paid for it, but your time in getting it, selecting it as best for the job, transporting it, storing it safely, tracking warranty on it, and so on and on.

I'm not trying to suggest that you;re wrong, by the way, in what you mark your products up by - that works for you. But what I am saying is that suggesting blanket fashion that a 35% markup is a rip off, is wrong when you don't know why it's been marked up by that amount.

Marking up 35% is a smoke screen to the customer. If you mark up on labour at least the money isn't hidden.
 
Am sorry, electricalserve but you make it sound as if we are ripping off the customer, if you let the customer have the materials at cost, then why not just do the work for nothing, and then everyone is happy. Its business, if every, business not matter what it is, didn't put a markup on the stuff unless you labour/sevice charge was well over i cant see any business surving. Don't get me wrong over a certain percentage does seem a bit unfair, but to say that any is basically ripping people off is wrong, IMO,
Dont mean to offend anyone.
 
Am sorry, electricalserve but you make it sound as if we are ripping off the customer, if you let the customer have the materials at cost, then why not just do the work for nothing, and then everyone is happy. Its business, if every, business not matter what it is, didn't put a markup on the stuff unless you labour/sevice charge was well over i cant see any business surving. Don't get me wrong over a certain percentage does seem a bit unfair, but to say that any is basically ripping people off is wrong, IMO,
Dont mean to offend anyone.

Well I also don't mean to offend you. I do mark up but I only mark by 10% which covers the expenses of getting it. I just think a hidden figure of 35% is rather devious. Thats my opinion though. Again I don't mean to offend. You only mark up by 20%
 
Well I also don't mean to offend you. I do mark up but I only mark by 10% which covers the expenses of getting it. I just think a hidden figure of 35% is rather devious. Thats my opinion though. Again I don't mean to offend. You only mark up by 20%

Each to there own

Are still friends LOL
 
If I go down the pub or wherever and for a drink its say 2.50 for a bottle of x I could get that same drink same bottle cheaper in say tescos and everybody knows it didnt cost them that much

the point im making is they have a mark they provide a service as do we
 
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If I go down the pub or wherever and for a drink its say 2.50 for a bottle of x I could get that same drink same bottle cheaper in say tescos or wherever

the point is they have a mark they provide a service as do we
No that's what their service is selling products. Ours is providing our skill. Therefore marking up a third on materials is secretly adding more £ to the job. If you put it on labour the charge is not hidden
 
If I go down the pub or wherever and for a drink its say 2.50 for a bottle of x I could get that same drink same bottle cheaper in say tescos or wherever

the point is they have a mark they provide a service as do we
No that's what their service is selling products. Ours is providing our skill. Therefore marking up a third on materials is secretly adding more £ to the job. If you put it on labour the charge is not hidden
 
No that's what their service is selling products. Ours is providing our skill. Therefore marking up a third on materials is secretly adding more £ to the job. If you put it on labour the charge is not hidden

In my personal experience customers resent seeing a large labour bill as a-posed to material costs.
 
TBH gents, and absolutely no offence to anyone but price sensitive threads like this do more harm than good to our industry.

Any potential customer could be reading this the same as we all are as this is a public forum that anyone can view.


As for rates in South Wales, South Wales is a big generalisation, a difference of 10 miles can mean a big difference in rates.
 
20ph for me is more than enough. It covers my business and a decent living. Fault finding I charge on a per case basis. But domestic rewires £20 per hour and I give myself 5 days. I end up finishing in 4 my money goes up. £35PH is very expensive on domestics....£280 a day? outrageous

BTH day rate is about 160-80 depending on the job (length) plus % on parts brings you to 200 a day, and the 35 is just for first hour then 25 and im non vat reg (larger firms around here charge around 40/45 ph + vat), i think your selling yourself short youve put the effort in with training and slave/apprenticeship for years
 
20ph for me is more than enough. It covers my business and a decent living. Fault finding I charge on a per case basis. But domestic rewires £20 per hour and I give myself 5 days. I end up finishing in 4 my money goes up. £35PH is very expensive on domestics....£280 a day? outrageous


£35.00 per hour on domestics is very high!!

Well if its a 2+ man organisation that's only about £28.00 + VAT. That's not outrageous and also bear in mind you're in Merseyside - different parts of the UK can charge very different rates.

Are you supporting all your business overheads PLUS a wife, kids and a mortgage on £20.00 PH?
 

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