accesable connections

[Wilson12]

Hello
there is one three plate pendant in the lounge on the ground floor and I've been asked to install a new chandelier fitting about half a meter away.
the client doesnt want to keep the existing light,so i cant simply fish a cable from the ceiling rose.with the joint being accessible whats the best way to move the light without taking up the floorboards?

 

[LankyWill]

If its accessible i use a debox which are fairly well made and easy to install, its like an all in one chocbox and wago solution. Or hager J501 these are handy for lights as they have a cable clamp.Non accessible will either be crimps or the hager MF joint box J803. Id go with DaveOCD and explain why its beneficial that the light fitting stays where it is.

 

[Ross1]

Is lifting floor boards not classed as accessible guys. As long as it's location is documented on the MWC.

 

[LankyWill]

Not really mate, lifting the carpet and grabbing the crowbar doesn't come under accessible in my book. You might aswell just get MF Junction box and save your self the heartache.

 

[westward10]

A much discussed grey area, what is inaccessible because BS7671 give no definition. If it can be accessed by some means or method then it is accessible.

 

[Ross1]

To be honest guys, i always make sure that myself and the the rest of the guys always do a pukker job. No cutting corners.
I dont know if any of you have been in the same situation (ive been so busy running the business that I've been stuck in a rut using the same materials and methods for years). I know that the industry is changing all the time and that i need to make time to catch up on whats what. Its easy to fall into that trap and hands up Im guilty of it. Ive just looked up the Hager and wago MF boxes which i will use in future.

What are you thoughts on crimped and heat shrinked joints for repairs in walls?

 

[westward10]

Please don't go there

 

[Ross1]

Please don't go there

I wont...lol

 

[PEG]

Hi dude,you will be opening a long-standing pandoras box of conjecture,with your last question!

You would have to qualify the type and method,to extract my opinion.

In my experience of dissecting faults and apportioning liability,there is a world of difference between a dedicated solid strand hydraulic crimp with dielectric rated heat-shrink...and a car accessory shop crimper and heat-shrink off e-bay...

There are those who have no faith in crimps...yet sleep content that a tiny clock-spring in a lego block suffices...

In this industry,what you do,is sometimes secondary,to HOW you do it,regs aside

 

[Andy78]

A much discussed grey area, what is inaccessible because BS7671 give no definition. If it can be accessed by some means or method then it is accessible.

There is a means or method of accessing anything. A concrete floor could be chipped out by pneumatic drill to reveal a buried connection, but would this be accessible ?

I view any connection that can only be accessed by the dismantling of the fabric of a building as inaccessible.

 

[westward10]

There is a means or method of accessing anything. A concrete floor could be chipped out by pneumatic drill to reveal a buried connection, but would this be accessible ?

I view any connection that can only be accessed by the dismantling of the fabric of a building as inaccessible.

I was being a bit sarcastic but nevertheless the term accessible has not been defined. Inaccessible would generally mean it can never be accessed but in reality this can never be achieved because everything is accessible and if it was inaccessible, well you wouldn't have been able to put it there in the first place.

 

[7029 dave]

Such a bloody simple task, I know what I would do.

 

[Andy78]

I was being a bit sarcastic but nevertheless the term accessible has not been defined. Inaccessible would generally mean it can never be accessed but in reality this can never be achieved because everything is accessible and if it was inaccessible, well you wouldn't have been able to put it there in the first place.

Yeah ok I'll bite.

The regs state not just accessible, but that all electrical connections (that don't fall under the permitted list of exceptions) be accessible for the purposes of inspection, testing, and maintenance.

Accessible is defined in English as being able to be reached or entered, or easily obtained or used.

Do you really need BS7671 to define their own meaning of accessible for you to clarify the intent of that regulation with regards to easily obtainable access to electrical connections for the purposes of a maintenance and/or inspection and testing schedule ?

 

[Leader]

You might get lucky, I was asked to take out 9 spots and put one pendent in the middle of the room. It was a converted loft and the crawl space access had been blocked by built in wardrobes. I was able to determine the run of cables and relocate the first one to the new location. If the joists are on your side and the cables aren't clipped it might be easier than you thought.

 

[uksrevivor]

Such a bloody simple task, I know what I would do.

Not the most helpful of posts m8 lol the OP is a trainee and is asking for advice.
To the OP try and convince the homeowner of the work involved in moving the light fitting its a lot of work just for half a metre of movement. If the homeowner is still adamant he wants it moved then the connections from the original 3 plate ceiling rose will have to be placed in a MF connection box. chandeliers can be heavy and standard ceiling board fixings may not be suitable. If the half metre movement will not locate any ceiling joist to enable a secure fixing of the chandelier then there will be no choice but to up floorboards to fit some sort of nogging between the joists to enable a secure fixing. A lot of work just for a little movement so my preference would be convince the homeowner to keep in original place.

 

[PEG]

...Or move as much furniture as you can,500mm up the room,and tell them you managed it with minimal additional decorating