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I've had an EICR on the house in Reading that I rent out with some unsatisfactory points and I'm looking for some advice.

Broadly, there are no big surprises because I know that the CU is old, has no RCDs and needs to be changed out. But:

1) Circuits not buried more than 50mm....the house was built in the 1980s (with old red/black T&E) and the cable depth is what it is. Is this an item that they have to report and I just need to ignore?

Actually I doubt that the cable depth is more than 50mm even in my brand new house as it's only slab n dab plasterboard and the total depth is not even 50mm...but that's a different issue. This house is brick & breeze-block.

4, 9) Ceiling rose needs replacing, unswitched socket. I don't mind paying for things I can't do, but I'm perfectly capable to do this myself - but would I then need to get another EICR to show a clean report? So is there a real benefit to get the same sparky to fix this? If it's done at the same time as the CU presumably the cost will be quite small as the call-out is covered.

2) Identification on light switch wires - what is needed? Sounds like something else I can do. But see next point - if all the switches need to come off anyway to find an earth leakage, perhaps the cost is quite small?

10) High earth leakage readings...this is the big issue. What I've been told is "However if a new consumer unit was fitted the RCD safety devices would be continually tripping as there are three circuits that contain earth leakage currents that would be high enough cause constant tripping. There are other relatively minor issues that are fairly common and relatively easy to rectify. So, before we can even consider changing the consumer unit these faults need to be found and rectified. There are three circuits that need investigating, the two main socket outlet circuits and the downstairs lighting circuit. These will not be easy to find and remedy but I would suggest that myself and another electrician would spend a day there and see what we can find, this would be at a cost of £500.00."

I suppose what I'm concerned about here is:
a) is there anything I could do myself to trace these faults?
b) does it need two people and is £500 for a day reasonable
c) it doesn't actually give me any guarantees that they'll find the faults, so it's really just taking a punt
d) they could find it in an hour and I'd still need to pay for a day. But (for example) if that was the case, the rest of the day could be used to fit the new CU and not charge for that again....

Thoughts?

Thanks
Phil
 

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Personally, I think the report is clutching at straws to get extra work.

Why do I say that....

Item 1. The 18th edition does not 'require' cables to be buried more than 50mm.
Item 8. Main earth undersized. If there is evidence of thermal damage, I'd C2, but with no evidence I'd C3 it.
Item 9. Unswitched socket outlet. Show me a regulation unswitched socket outlets contravene.
Item 10. As @telectrix has already pointed out, high earth leakage on circuits where IR is claimed to be >100 Mega ohms.

Just my tuppence worth :)
 
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Take the money for the rent but unwilling to spend money to keep the people inside safe.
Grossly unreasonable comment, which I think others online have recognised. If you don't have anything useful to contribute, perhaps its better to contribute nothing.

If you look at the EICR it says "safety assessment requested by client". I was clear that I'm looking to replace the CU and deal with all the problems associated with it.

So...so far I've employed a qualified electrician to do the EICR, and will do so again to replace the CU including RCDs, re-size the main earth and bonding, put correctly sized tails and install new immersion heater. Go figure how much that means paying to a qualified electrician.

I'm not at all unwilling to spend money on what I need to, but I don't like ----ing it away. So I know I'm perfectly competent to change a ceiling rose and a double socket, but I know I can't do an immersion heater, or a CU.

The sparky that did the EICR is only offering "to see what he can find" for £500. That sounds like a high risk to me, which is why I'm looking for more information.
 
For IR faults or any faults for that matter on a EICR or board change im likely to do or done i quote the hourly rate. You pay the first 2 hours no matter what and then each hour there after. So 3 Hours £80 or whatever. If i dont find the fault in a house in half a day im going to be disappointed in myself. Thats each fault, looking at his report due to filling in 100MOhms on all and no ring main readings, im not sure what the faults are or even how many. Id average it out at a maximum of £100 - 120 a fault.

Obviously once faults are found there will be additional time and materials to rectify.
 
The whole EICR is a shambles. But I suspect quality was not on the ops list of priorities when choosing a contractor.

The inspector was chosen by my estate agent, is registered with NAPIT which is a UK government accreditation service so has presumably been vetted, his registration is on the EICR. What else do you think I should have done?

You've completely unjustifiably assumes that I am a cheapskate trying to avoid using a qualified electrician. Nothing is further from the truth.

I don't know about the EICR, that's why I posted it. If there are inconsistencies between the EICR and the proposed work (both as prepared by a competent, qualified and registered electrical inspector), I'm not competent to identify them so I would hope that the good and helpful people on this forum would help.
 
To start with, the inspector should not be stating stuff should be replaced in the report.
Should not be using the term ‘18th’ instead should use ‘BS7671’, if anything
There’s no reason given as to why there should be RCD protection for faults.
Why are the undersized tails and bonding conductors C3, but the main earth C2?
 
Personally I am coming across landlords who now have the policy of one electrician does the EICR another the rectifications. While of course I would welcome the work of both the EICR and remedials I can see a conflict of interests there and agree it is a fair policy. It encourages when a problem is noted, that it is indeed a problem not a pitch for un-needed work. Not that that is my practice I hasten to add it just makes me more careful.
Fault finding is a notoriously difficult area and I can sense your trepidation in handing over what may appear to be a blank cheque. However I would tend to examine the possible faults with a view to rewiring if it is more cost effective under the advice of the person ordering the work. After all, I could probably rewire cheaper than the cost of a couple of days fault finding.
The good thing about someone else coming in to do the remedials is that you get a double check and ensure a mistake was not made in doing the IR tests and they left something plugged in or did not bypass a neon or forgot about the USB sockets things like that. Second opinion is good.
 

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