Advice please

[EasyFox]

Where are you located Jonnychez?
Only asking because I have been asked to undertake a periodic (pir) for a mate of a mate in Hampshire, the bloke is in the same situation as you & LBC have agreed to accept a periodic but has to be from a part P registered sparks.

 

[Carter]

In actual fact part p is in force to create jobs for jobsworths, it does not stop cowboys. Your house is even today in crazy Britain your property.

Some sparks seem to think they are part of some scientific phonmena that is out of scope of anyone but their own click. In actual fact it is not illegal to do as you want.

Even if a diy electrician, you can rewire your own house, it is not illegal. You can if you want insist the council inspect, and pass judgement. Pass-Fail. That is entirely up to you.

Some 'dodgy' sparks will tell you otherwise, but I'm telling you they are bull****ting.

Having said that, before I would put my name to anything others had done I would inspect very carefully. With notes, not installed. But tested ok.

Thats all you need. In effect a spark could make the worst job ever, yet test results show ok...pass. It is bull****. So I could rewire your house as a part p spark, make a complete **** of it. And pass it, cos I mark my own 'quiz' results.

This country is ****ing mad

That's a nice summary of my attitude to Part (with yer money) P. The reduction in Wild West activity will be told by results. I think it has in fact given them a badge of respectability that is not fully deserved.

 

[jonnychez]

Where are you located Jonnychez?
Only asking because I have been asked to undertake a periodic (pir) for a mate of a mate in Hampshire, the bloke is in the same situation as you & LBC have agreed to accept a periodic but has to be from a part P registered sparks.

South Wales, Caerphilly area. I'll ask building control on Monday if they will accept the same. I found an NIC approved sparky and he suggested that they may accept a Periodic but like so many others he never bothered turning up .

 

[wattsup]

I have done loads of nic stuff (for others)

My own (none nic) stuff is a better job, 100% of times

 

[Carter]

Ah, paul m that's where you don't see the rules, it is not illegal to rewire a house, part p or not.

Quite so though everyone with a vested interest would have Joe Punter believe otherwise. Part of the infantilization process I guess, what is it with the mentality of Vogon Britain. Got a permit for that? can't do anything without a permit, are you licenced to carry that permit? Have you applied for the application form to grant outline provisional permission for the temporary posession of a preliminary licence subject to the payment of the registration fee. Oh spare me ffs!
Didn't we already have laws that can be invoked to prosecute those tradesmen who produce lethal work? Reckless endangerment, manslaughter. Regulate the cowboys by all means but don't expect me to pick up the costs of their incompetence. Part P is a wonk-fest!

It is not illegal to wire your own home. Hey it is not difficult to rewire a house. The nic are not in it for 'good workmanship' you know and i know why they are in it.

No it isn't difficult at all for a competent DIYer and there are some who really shouldn't be divving about with tools let alone with electrics, even worse there are those dimwitted plums of whom you think "how does this idiot make it through the day unaided??" At the risk of overextension of the pontl Darwin had an answer for that, he realised that nature whittled out the dumbest by ensuring that there are plenty of options by which they can exit the world and I'm heartily sick of having to have my life affected by and in effect dictated by the desire to save people from themselves.

It is corrupt, if you think it's worth a revolution, sobeit.

I'll see you on the barricades Watts, you won't be able to miss me, I'll be the one toting Prescott's vacant head on a pike.

 

[ElectricMick]

This is all very interesting - Having qualified in the last 12 months I have found the legistlation a bit of a nightmare- as I said in previous post I have a very flexible LABC who don't really seem too interested. As their senior surveyor told me "I have no room to file all these certificates". Its this part p thing thats a killer - having taken, and passed the part p exam I then found I was required to part with another large sum of money to register. Not done it yet as £117.50 to LABC for notifyable is not killing me for the time being. After 30 years in military I thought I was getting away from too many rules and regulations when I decided to go down the electrician route. How wrong could I be. I have learned more in the last few weeks on this forum than any of the books/statutory instruments ever taught. I wish I could just concentrate on getting on and doing a good job, instead of worrying about who wants what certs and when.

 

[PAUL M]

I have done loads of nic stuff (for others)

My own (none nic) stuff is a better job, 100% of times

in your opinion .im going to invent a engine that can run off the gas produced from bullshine i reckon you and carter could produce enough between ya to run eddie stobarts fleet for at least six months

 

[saveloy]

Just to clarify a few points.

Part P is a self certification scheme. Ie electricians registered under the scheme can only certify their own work, no one elses.

A lot of LABC will not accept a PIR in place of a Part P certificate as this only indicates that electrical installation safety tests had been carried out, but a PIR does not verify that the installation complies fully with BS7671:2008
requirements- ie cable routings etc

The LABC will supervise and pass off the work without the need for a Part P certificate, However they will want to inspect the the erection of the installation from the beginning, first fix of cables, cable routes etc.

There are whole a lot of reasons why I personally wouldn't sign of someone elses work under a Part P scheme, but the main one is Public Liability Insurance. The premium for P.L.I rises considerably when you are certifying other peoples work and as such I doubt an electrician would be covered for issuing a part P certificate on work not carried out by himself.

Unfortunatley the OP is in an unfortunate position as his extension is nearly finished and the only advice I can offer is for him to try and contact the electrician direct and ask him to complete the work and issue a Part P certificate (assuming he can issue a Part P certificate)

 

[jonnychez]

Just spoke to a very helpful guy in Building control. He is going to check on whether there is a work around to my issue and let me know later today.

If he can't, I'm going to have to rip off everything that covers any cables, basically the ceilings, the plaster and the tiles. .

 

[rumrunner]

Just spoke to a very helpful guy in Building control. He is going to check on whether there is a work around to my issue and let me know later today.

If he can't, I'm going to have to rip off everything that covers any cables, basically the ceilings, the plaster and the tiles. .

Hi
Please keep us informed as to what goes on ,and dont go ripping down the ceilings thats rubbish ,who ever told you that is a ----
all the best with it

 

[jonnychez]

Spoke to helpful, Building control guy again. He said there is a possibility that they can do something but he needs to be clear on the legal ramifications before he can commit.

 

[sparky1ste]

there is another way? get a new c/u fitted and not only give you the part p you want but get a 10 year cert aswell.and by the way to other sparks napit do 3rd party testing but on your own neck if the routes of cable are in the wrong zones etc.thats why building control ask to remove and replace the cable.

 

[tony.towa]

Showing how good Part P is and how it makes sense of the industry situation take this scenario.
A fully qualified electrician, not local authority registered, employed by the local authority within the building control department, rewires his own house. He is not able to certify the work with a Part P certificate and so contacts building control and pays for an inspection. He is then sent by building control to certify the work he has carried out in his own home.

Ah, you say, that could never happen. Well it did this year in a local authority near me.
Considering that a major three phase installation can be signed off by a "competant person" the need for Part P still baffles me.

 

[rumrunner]

Showing how good Part P is and how it makes sense of the industry situation take this scenario.
A fully qualified electrician, not local authority registered, employed by the local authority within the building control department, rewires his own house. He is not able to certify the work with a Part P certificate and so contacts building control and pays for an inspection. He is then sent by building control to certify the work he has carried out in his own home.

Ah, you say, that could never happen. Well it did this year in a local authority near me.
Considering that a major three phase installation can be signed off by a "competant person" the need for Part P still baffles me.

That just about sums it up ,total madness

 

[jonnychez]

Just spoke to Building Control and they have informed me that they will do it, subject to a fee. I'll have to fill in some forms etc.

I'll try and get some more info regarding the legislation if I can.

Cheers for all the advise guys.