advise on bt/ Internet in domestic property

[tanna]

Hi all

Was wondering if anyone could give me any advise please, currently do a 6 bed rewire, the customer wants a telephone point in every bedroom, their Internet comes in via their phone line, I brought telephone cable to extend to all the points but now I'm starting to doubt that the cable will start to degrade as the runs get longer, affecting Internet connection, was thinking of running in some cat5 or cat6, or would normal telephone cable be ok, in all the total meters of cable to be used is about 50 - 60 meters, not really clued up when comes to telephone / data points, could any one advise please ? Thanks

 

[Simlec]

Don't forget you only have a max of 4-REN from BT line.

 

[keithbr13]

Hi andyd55 I m in a similar position to Tanna customer wants to know what's involved in putting Internet phone and tv in to various rooms in four storey terrace, he's asked virgin to come round for a chat about it but don't know how far they will take it so any info you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Burnt Fingers]

How about run 2 x Cat6 to each room then you can put ethernet at tomorrow's speeds on one and have 4 spare pairs for voice


Oh no Fingers is awake

 

[mole2006]

Burnt Fingers has the best idea, I would put at least 2 or even 3 Cat5e or Cat6 cables and 3 coax if it's for SKY+. Sky needs a phone line for some features, it also can use an ethernet connection for On Demand. Smarth TV's also use an ethernet connection for Youtube iPlayer etc.

 

[LowPower]

Wired new point into extension on a property which initially seemed fine. But as soon as there are any broadband issue, BT will be looking to blame it on the additional wiring, whatever the issues

 

[Atelcom]

Just reading through this thread - When you guys fit data cabling - How do you know it works??

When you fit any telephone wiring how do you know the SnR capabilities of what you've installed?

Basically how do you sign off any of the non - electrical installs with competancy you have no NEXT - PSXT - High attenuation problems ??

Wired new point into extension on a property which initially seemed fine. But as soon as there are any broadband issue, BT will be looking to blame it on the additional wiring, whatever the issues

How do you prove it's not your workmanship then??

 

[mole2006]

With my trusty Fluke multimeter, it works a treat :yes:

 

[Atelcom]

What SnR rates does that show?

How do you prove dial tone with that?

What data rates does it show?

:speechless:

Just trying to find out what an electrician actually uses to prove the task was done correctly?

A fluke MM will not prove anything for a telecoms circuit apart from continuity or am I wrong?

 

[rugbyspark]

You mean to say, That you don't think we take our Laptop/tablet with us and test it, nice bit of software test, good results, BINGO, it's a winner.
Rgds.

 

[Atelcom]

You have a laptop...? :cool3:


I go to many jobs where the house has been updated with telecomms & data installs by the electrical firm.

The customer has paid up - Nothing works - The electricians are not coming back.


I ring the electrical firm & ask them what they was trying to achieve, they don't know what it is that's wrong.

They constantly wire the wrong type of sockets to the circuit.

They never have testers. They never check any attenuation rates on the incoming BT. etc etc

They con people for doing work they can't do to a reasonable standard.

I was just trying to see whether anyone actually tests anything or has any telecomms testers?

Possibly a test telephone...?

Or is it just guess work in most cases?

 

[mole2006]

My Fluke DTX 1800 doesn't go a miss for testing the data either

 

[Atelcom]

I have a dtx 1800 - Doesn't test the phone though ??

I just see so many botched installs - Why do people take on what they can't test off?

I suppose It's like the painters doing the electrical re-wire with no testers - part P or Niceic????

 

[mole2006]

The 990 for dsl, what testers do you have?
The last network tester I had was the Agilient Wirescope Pro, big mistake buy this after always having Fluke (old DSP's etc). The software's a bit of a nightmare compared to the Fluke Linkware

 

[Atelcom]

The 990 - I don't know anyone that would spend out on that.

I have many "expensive" Fluke kits - for: fibre - Structured cabling - Wifi - network switch testers.

The 990 just wouldn't return a profit.

As ex-BT I have various bits of telecom kit.

Best being, Vonaq - Jdsu & "my secret kit".

As I said before in another post - before any one touches your phone line, they should ask to know what the difference will be on completion to the circuit.


Realistically, experience is the best tester. I can usually guess what I can get you from the circuit just by looking at the modem stats.

If anyone wants to send me a shot of their modem stats - I'll let you know if it can be improved.

 

[biggsy]

To think the pair of wires run all the way from the exchange so extending them will not be a problem the amount if telephones connected can
cat 5 probly best to install for voice and data versatility
Bang pair down on the blue pair will need balun to convert to Bt socket (master )