AFDD EICR - unsatisfactory report landlord

[Rockingit]

Yeay!! Another Forum win!!

 

[buzzlightyear]

Yeay!! Another Forum win

drink all rounds then rocket .

 

[nicebutdim]

Attached is the quote the company sent me for the works which seems very high. I asked for the cheapest way possible to bring it to regulations

Quite unprofessional to quote for the fitting of Wylex protective devices in a Hager board. Either they're lax with paperwork or would have introduced an additional non-compliance to be picked up on subsequent EICRs.

 

[timhoward]

Quite unprofessional to quote for the fitting of Wylex protective devices in a Hager board. Either they're lax with paperwork or would have introduced an additional non-compliance to be picked up on subsequent EICRs.

That was my first reaction. Then I spotted "new consumer unit" so wondered if they were intending to change the lot.
It's sad that people earn a living by misleading people, ripping people off, and mis-using legislation intended to simply ensure things are safe for tenants.
Equally, great the OP fought back and got this sorted. A nice change for one of these threads to end up with a good result.

 

[littlespark]

Its good to see we are all singing from the same song sheet.

Its nice when everyone on the forum agrees, and there's no agro between opinions.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Having just been doing some surfing on Hager stuff, it seems that rather annoyingly their AFDD MCB's are double width, whereas their AFDD RCBO's are single. So anyone with a split board that needs modifying is totally stuffed unless you happen to have a load of spare ways and an installer with the skills and spares kit to modify it around.

They have bought out single module AFDDs now:

Hager ARR932U AFDD RCBO 32 Amp ARC Fault Detection Device

Hager ARR932U AFDD RCBO 32 Amp ARC Fault Detection Device. Thousands of Hager consumer units devices & accessories available with next day delivery. Order online now

www.consumerunitworld.co.uk

 

[pc1966]

They have bought out single module AFDDs now:

Hager ARR932U AFDD RCBO 32 Amp ARC Fault Detection Device

Hager ARR932U AFDD RCBO 32 Amp ARC Fault Detection Device. Thousands of Hager consumer units devices & accessories available with next day delivery. Order online now

www.consumerunitworld.co.uk

Its a dual RCD board, so putting in the AFDD/RCBO modules would really need another busbar segment so they are not off one of the RCDs.

Hager do an AFDD add-on for MCB, etc, that make double width if you needed arc-detection without residual current. I can't see many cases where that would be likely!

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Its a dual RCD board, so putting in the AFDD/RCBO modules would really need another busbar segment so they are not off one of the RCDs.

Personally, I would fit them on the RCD anyway, unless the customer particularly wanted them off it (and was happy to pay for it). Not ideal, but 2 RCDs in series, both in the same location, not a problem IMO

 

[pc1966]

Personally, I would fit them on the RCD anyway, unless the customer particularly wanted them off it (and was happy to pay for it). Not ideal, but 2 RCDs in series, both in the same location, not a problem IMO

Agreed, it is not dangerous, just not great "design" as you still have the risk of accumulated leakage tripping the RCD in spite of having coughed £120 or so per AFDD.

I don't know the Hager commercial boards well so don't know if you could just get a new section of busbar and extend the main switch L for the AFDD. As single-module they should fit after removing the MCBs, just the practicality of shuffling along and having the non-RCD bus to feed them.

 

[Midwest]

Hijack; is there a test methodology for AFDD's now, or just its self test? Just curious.

 

[pc1966]

Hijack; is there a test methodology for AFDD's now, or just its self test? Just curious.

Not that I know of outside development labs, etc.

I vaguely remember seeing some testers for the USA advertised that mentioned their AFCI but don't know much more.

 

[UNG]

Hijack; is there a test methodology for AFDD's now, or just its self test? Just curious.

I think the closest you will get are the Hager AFDD's that have bluetooth connectivity and using their app it is possible to download diagnostic information from the device and also the AFDD can also be updated to cope with newer appliances being connected or mains born noise

 

[littlespark]

Testing AFDD’s?

Don’t you just loosen the outgoing cable and give it a little wiggle?

 

[Flanders]

Fridge and freezer are hard wired

Are the fridge and freezer hard wired .some set ups have a switch above the counter that operates a socket behind the fridge or in an adjacent cupboard. Just to add I thought one of the reason for AFDDs was to detect faults in such appliances such as fridges and freezers. So by hard wiring them it they no longer require the AFDDs . As far as I see it a fridge hard wired in could have the same fault as one plugged in. Just saying

 

[Mike Johnson]

Every report you read on the US forums say the AFDD's are a real problem area and are eventually removed, don't know enough about them to comment personally, but they do seem to be a solution looking for a problem.