Amendment 3 DPC

[Flanders]

Thanks for posting
I like the fact that they have got rid of competent person and replaced with skilled electrically skilled person. I may sound trivial but makes more sense to me

 

[MDJ]

We may laugh but I for one am fed up with buying regs books, at 70 notes an issue it is no joke.

 

[Plonker 3]

Maybe its time the IEE took responsibility of the CPS as after all its there book we have to adhere too, then there would be no discrepancies with technical help as they would be able to clarify exactly what it means, and our annual subs would also include any new revisions being available to us at a heavily discounted rate. Which in turn would surely make everyone sign up to it?

 

[Octopus]

Lets hope the Plain English Society get a look at it, so theres more clarity!

 

[alanl]

Hmm, there is an awful lot of bleating going on here.
£70 for the book, who pays that?
I got the green book and the OSG for £60. Everyone in one of the schemes would also have been offered similar deals.
Then, spread that cost over 2 years, and it is 75p a week, for the best guidebook possible for your profession.
I've got no problem with the new RCD regs. Easily bypassed by writing a 5 line risk assessment if you feel it is not required.
How about 134.1.1?
That's a good change IMO and hasnt been picked up by most.

Why? I put an oven in last week, in the install notes, it said "only to be installed by a 'NIC' approved electrician, and must be supplied by 6mm T+E". Why not 10mm? or the 4mm I put in, for the 5kW oven? I went against manufacturers instructions as they were just plain wrong. But my work is non-compliant, and would have been before I started as I am not with NICEIC, which is what I assume 'NIC' means.

 

[D Skelton]

How about 134.1.1? That's a good change IMO and hasnt been picked up by most.

Good spot! I completely missed that! lol

 

[Deleted member 72666]

I also think 134.1.1 is spot on but totally disagree with this Cmin voltage factor malarky as we're working with fictitious voltages in any case! A bit like the emperor's new clothes syndrome! Not had the time to read much further yet.

 

[spark 68]

Hmm, there is an awful lot of bleating going on here.
£70 for the book, who pays that?
I got the green book and the OSG for £60. Everyone in one of the schemes would also have been offered similar deals.
Then, spread that cost over 2 years, and it is 75p a week, for the best guidebook possible for your profession.
I've got no problem with the new RCD regs. Easily bypassed by writing a 5 line risk assessment if you feel it is not required.
How about 134.1.1?
That's a good change IMO and hasnt been picked up by most.

Why? I put an oven in last week, in the install notes, it said "only to be installed by a 'NIC' approved electrician, and must be supplied by 6mm T+E". Why not 10mm? or the 4mm I put in, for the 5kW oven? I went against manufacturers instructions as they were just plain wrong. But my work is non-compliant, and would have been before I started as I am not with NICEIC, which is what I assume 'NIC' means.

Ha ha , I was just having a good old Whinge mate. lol
It could have been worse, they could have called this the 18th edition, and we would all be booking exams as well.

Of course the timing could have been a bit better too, we are still in recession (despite Gov, assurances lol), and to have more amds at this time looks to be a tad like profiteering by the powers that be. lol

The RCD bit will probably not be too bad on a new build, but may cause problems on EICRs or any alterations to existing, especially the latter point if the existing DB is discontinued/obsolete No RCBOs available for etc... could work out expensive. (talking about offices and the like in Ind. Comm. here) and computer circuits will need a lot more consideration than they currently get.

I was mainly whinging about the pointless Cmin Ballcocks, and the lowering of Zs's lol, I wonder how we will be meant will code this now (when AMD3 is in force), when previously the Zs complied but now doesn't.

There are some good parts to this AMD, the fixing of wiring in escape routes for one, and the section on auxiliary circuits looks informative too.

Actually we get off fairly lightly, as IEC/BS EN 60439 has just been superseded by IEC/BS EN 61439 which is in about a dozen parts or so, each part usually costs more than BS7671! the selfemployed lads on here who need this standard will be paying out quite a bit more than us.

 

[snowhead]

I wonder how often the Gas Safe Regs are updated??

Not very often.

BUT available free online;

Safety in the installation and use of gas systems and appliances

And they are only 90 pages long.

However you won't find the I.G.E (Institute of Gas Engineers) documents, which cover technical aspects, anywhere free and the total cost of these and the British standards documents which are also required exceed the cost of the Electrical regs by about 20 times.

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[Engineer54]

Said it before and i'll say it again, Pass the publication of BS 7671 over to CIBSE. They tend to still be blessed with commonsense and professionalism!! Both of which are sadly lacking these days in the revamped ITE formerly IEE!!

 

[UNG]

Reading between the lines this amendment pre-empts changes that are obviously in the pipeline

My guess would be that eventually we are going to see the second part of EU voltage harmonisation that has been delayed for quite a few years introduced and our nominal voltage will reduce to 220v

The definition change from competent to skilled suggests that changes to the Part P schemes are moving forward and although they are probably not finalised hopefully there is scope now to raise the scheme skill level although some of the definitions wording leaves plenty of room for interpretation IMO

Pity they don't see fit to publish BS7671 and all the associated books in a cheaper electronic format

 

[Knobhead]

My guess would be that eventually we are going to see the second part of EU voltage harmonisation that has been delayed for quite a few years introduced and our nominal voltage will reduce to 220v

Pigs will fly before that happens.
A standard DNO transformer is still 433/250V. Many don’t have tappings.
Due to the use of link boxes between various transformers they would all have to be changed. It’s no fun linking two transformers with a voltage difference.

 

[Deleted member 72666]

They don't seem to have elaborated on the new set of figures for type D breakers,(table 41.3) we now may have 2 sets of figures, one for disconnection times of 0.1 to 3 seconds and a set for 5 seconds (which incidentally are the same figures as the type C breakers!) but they seem to be applicable to fuse ratings less than 32 amps as well! Currently only distribution ccts and ccts >32amps should have an istantaneous disconnection time not exceeding 5 seconds.Have I missed a trick here?

 

[UNG]

Pigs will fly before that happens.
A standard DNO transformer is still 433/250V. Many don’t have tappings.
Due to the use of link boxes between various transformers they would all have to be changed. It’s no fun linking two transformers with a voltage difference.

Tony in some areas I have worked recently the voltages are creeping down so I can only assume that new kit has been installed and shortly we may be seeing pigs fly LOL. Speaking to a DNO engineer a couple of years ago he said they were moving towards the 230v nominal voltage as new kit was installed as the reduction to 220v was back on the table and his thinking was it will happen after all the past delays

 

[silver surfer]

Said it before and i'll say it again, Pass the publication of BS 7671 over to CIBSE. They tend to still be blessed with commonsense and professionalism!! Both of which are sadly lacking these days in the revamped ITE formerly IEE!![/QUOTE]
And at some time or other IET!