Amendment 3 Electrical Installation Certificate

[BigSi]

When to fill out an NICEIC today, and let’s say, it’s interesting?



...........impressions!

 

[Deleted member 9648]

When to fill out an NICEIC today, and let’s say, it’s interesting?



...........impressions!

A question or a request for my Tommy Cooper?

 

[andyb]

I don't use nic forms as a lot on here don't.

You'll have to enlighten us.

Then I'd like to see Wirepuller's Tommy Cooper.

 

[Leesparkykent]

I don't use nic forms as a lot on here don't.

You'll have to enlighten us.

Then I'd like to see Wirepuller's Tommy Cooper.

+1 lol

 

[BigSi]

Maybe I should elaborate my last statement!

We currently use the NICEIC online certification service (not my choice), and are now using the amendment 3 version of the Electrical Installation Certificate. In a nut shell, a large portion of the tick box section of the Electrical Installation Condition Report, has been ‘cut-n-pasted’ (the NICEIC words not mine) and now appears in the amended EIC certificate.

Example; You install a new double socket on a radial circuit below an existing DB. According to the new EIC certificate (and the NICEIC), you have to basically carry out an EICR on the building to allow you to tick ‘yes’ or ‘N/A’ to the boxes! So after you have installed your socket, you’re now running round to check that there are duel supply warning notices for generator/solar PV, and that every RCD operates!

Ah, but this only relates to the circuit you have installed..........well you’d be wrong! It relates to the entire building! In a house this maybe wouldn’t pose much of a problem, but when it’s in a large commercial/industrial building 3 hours to the job, one week to gather all the information to complete the tick boxes (from the mouth of the NICEIC)!

Happy form filling!

 

[Risteard]

According to the new EIC certificate (and the NICEIC), you have to basically carry out an EICR on the building to allow you to tick ‘yes’ or ‘N/A’ to the boxes! So after you have installed your socket, you’re now running round to check that there are duel supply warning notices for generator/solar PV, and that every RCD operates!

Ah, but this only relates to the circuit you have installed..........well you’d be wrong! It relates to the entire building!

Why would the Schedule of Inspections relate to anything other than the work that you've done?

 

[Pete999]

Maybe I should elaborate my last statement!

We currently use the NICEIC online certification service (not my choice), and are now using the amendment 3 version of the Electrical Installation Certificate. In a nut shell, a large portion of the tick box section of the Electrical Installation Condition Report, has been ‘cut-n-pasted’ (the NICEIC words not mine) and now appears in the amended EIC certificate.

Example; You install a new double socket on a radial circuit below an existing DB. According to the new EIC certificate (and the NICEIC), you have to basically carry out an EICR on the building to allow you to tick ‘yes’ or ‘N/A’ to the boxes! So after you have installed your socket, you’re now running round to check that there are duel supply warning notices for generator/solar PV, and that every RCD operates!

Ah, but this only relates to the circuit you have installed..........well you’d be wrong! It relates to the entire building! In a house this maybe wouldn’t pose much of a problem, but when it’s in a large commercial/industrial building 3 hours to the job, one week to gather all the information to complete the tick boxes (from the mouth of the NICEIC)!

Happy form filling!

What does BS7671 say about it? NICEIC are NOT a governing body, just another scam to get your hard earned.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Maybe I should elaborate my last statement!

We currently use the NICEIC online certification service (not my choice), and are now using the amendment 3 version of the Electrical Installation Certificate. In a nut shell, a large portion of the tick box section of the Electrical Installation Condition Report, has been ‘cut-n-pasted’ (the NICEIC words not mine) and now appears in the amended EIC certificate.

Example; You install a new double socket on a radial circuit below an existing DB. According to the new EIC certificate (and the NICEIC), you have to basically carry out an EICR on the building to allow you to tick ‘yes’ or ‘N/A’ to the boxes! So after you have installed your socket, you’re now running round to check that there are duel supply warning notices for generator/solar PV, and that every RCD operates!

Ah, but this only relates to the circuit you have installed..........well you’d be wrong! It relates to the entire building! In a house this maybe wouldn’t pose much of a problem, but when it’s in a large commercial/industrial building 3 hours to the job, one week to gather all the information to complete the tick boxes (from the mouth of the NICEIC)!

Happy form filling!

Nothing has changed,you only need to check/tick the aspects of the installation applicable to the works carried out,everything else will be N/A.
The description of the work carried out will make it clear what the cert applies to,if you think you need to be checking an RCD etc which is not related to your install you are mistaken.

Oh,and I bought some HP sauce the other day. It's costing me 6p a month for the next 2 years.
Jush Like that!

 

[uksparks]

Oh,and I bought some HP sauce the other day. It's costing me 6p a month for the next 2 years.
Jush Like that!

I hope it was the BBQ variety at £1.44

 

[Andy78]

Fully agree with above that only the parts that pertain to the work carried out need filling in. Granted that is most of it though .... lol.
The parts that are common to all installs, service head, earthing & bonding, consumer unit etc contain checks that you should already be carrying out anyway, so no real change there. The circuits section clearly only applies to the work contained within the cert. You've just installed those circuits so al the answers are obvious.

I like the new layout. It seems to be designed to force the poorly trained to think a bit more about what the are doing and ticking off.

 

[BigSi]

The circuits section clearly only applies to the work contained within the cert. You've just installed those circuits so al the answers are obvious.

Not according to the NICEIC. And I know it’s BS7671 we adhere to, and that the NICEIC aren’t governing bodies, but as it’s there forms and software being used so we must go by there guidelines.

So am I the only one who has completed one of these forms online, and feel that all the extra checks they have now stipulated are a little over the top?

 

[Andy78]

Not according to the NICEIC. And I know it’s BS7671 we adhere to, and that the NICEIC aren’t governing bodies, but as it’s there forms and software being used so we must go by there guidelines.

So am I the only one who has completed one of these forms online, and feel that all the extra checks they have now stipulated are a little over the top?

Are you saying there is written guidance from the NICEIC that says you must inspect the entire installation when issuing any EIC ?

 

[BigSi]

Are you saying there is written guidance from the NICEIC that says you must inspect the entire installation when issuing any EIC ?

Not written, but when I contacted the technical helpline, they were adamant that it related to the entire installation. Which I didn’t and still don’t believe is right? I understand perfectly well what checks we should be making when carrying out installation work and what we should be including when completing EIC, but not to the extent of what the new EIC now stipulates.

 

[Dave OCD]

Sounds like it could make the simplest of jobs far more complicated and time consuming, making legitimate sparkies more uncompetitive, more distrust from customers and more work for the cowboys. The world's gone mad. :goofy:

 

[Andy78]

Not written, but when I contacted the technical helpline, they were adamant that it related to the entire installation. Which I didn’t and still don’t believe is right? I understand perfectly well what checks we should be making when carrying out installation work and what we should be including when completing EIC, but not to the extent of what the new EIC now stipulates.

It's not right.

I would call them back and ask for this ludicrous statement in writing. So they reckon that the section relating to inspections on the DB should include all DBs in the installation and not just the one that the new circuit is taken from ? and that all existing circuits are to be inspected not just the ones the EIC pertains to ?

Who knows, you may call them back and get someone who knows what they are talking about.