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Engineer54
Right, ....let's get down to the point shall we.... I posted here saying that bashing a fuse board off the wall with a lump hammer would in all likelihood, be more hazardous than removing in the normal manner with a screwdriver. Then we got all the usual crap about how dangerous these fuse carrier strips are, well it's rubbish.
Been on god knows how many company managers H&S training and awareness courses over the years, where this subject always crops up, especially on refurb projects. On each occassion these fuse carrier flash guards have always been marked down at the lowest possible factor of risk!!!
Most of the older electricians here, have worked for many of there early years with ceramic type fuse boards, as have myself. Are you honestly saying, that those then new fuse boards, were a great hazard to there health, and are now prone to cancers caused by those fuse carrier strips?? And remember those cancers that are related to asbestos are very specific and very few in type!!
As usual these old myths and the resulting scaremongering kick-up a load of fear and nonsense. No-ones suggesting here that you don't treat this old stuff with respect, and no-ones suggesting you shouldn't make use of a face mask, but don't blow these old fuses up as being death traps either, ...cause they just ain't!!
There are many factories that still have these old fuse types throughout there installations, If they were anywhere near as bad as you and others make them out to be, they would have all been deemed unsafe and ledgistration from H&S outlawing them and MUST be replaced by modern DB's etc..., or at the very least, stating the strips be replaced with alternative material.
Enough said, Rocker, You can believe whatever you want to believe and can continue to perpetuate the scaremongery, ....and we'll just agree to dis-agree...
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Paul.M
A small section from the HSE web site:-
"In 2008 (the latest year with published data) there were 2249 mesothelioma deaths. Simply adding an equivalent number of asbestos-related lung cancers brings the total to 4498, though clearly such a figure implies much more accuracy than is truly the case."
Or look at the full report yourselves and make your own mind up if its worth taking the risk or not?
Statistics - Asbestos FAQs
"In 2008 (the latest year with published data) there were 2249 mesothelioma deaths. Simply adding an equivalent number of asbestos-related lung cancers brings the total to 4498, though clearly such a figure implies much more accuracy than is truly the case."
Or look at the full report yourselves and make your own mind up if its worth taking the risk or not?
Statistics - Asbestos FAQs
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Paul.M
"Been on god knows how many company managers H&S training and awareness courses over the years, where this subject always crops up, especially on refurb projects. On each occassion these fuse carrier flash guards have always been marked down at the lowest possible factor of risk!!!"
Lowest possible factor of risk. That's like saying don't worry getting hit by a fiat 500 and not a bus, its the lowest risk!!!
Imho engineer54 I will play it safe and not play with potential death.
Lowest possible factor of risk. That's like saying don't worry getting hit by a fiat 500 and not a bus, its the lowest risk!!!
Imho engineer54 I will play it safe and not play with potential death.
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Engineer54
Without even reading this link, What was the type that caused the greatest number of these cases?? 5000 cases, even one is too many, but compare those numbers with the non- asbestos related cases, minuscule i would imagine. And i bet there is not a single mention anywhere, about fuse flash guard strips.... The biggest number of affected workmen, were those in the lagging and insulation trades, ....they were not domestic/commercial electricians. ...can't say Industrial, because there maybe a relationship, depending on what industry those electricians were working in, etc, etc....
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Paul.M
well take the time to read actual fact and stop imposing your own misinterpreted views and opinions before other people read this thread and believe that one form of asbestos is ok. For crying out loud, you've always got to have it your way regardless of the truth. You'd make a good politician.
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Engineer54
Well, i've read this article now. What would you want me to change in my posts, on these fuse carrier strips??
Not a case having it my own way, and it depends on what you classify as the truth!!! I've learnt by hard knocks over the years, that the truth is in very short supply where officialdom is concerned.
I'm not imposing my views on anyone, i'm sure those here are quite capable of constructing there own views.... I doubt very much i'd make a good politician, as you have noticed i don't change my mind or opinions very easily!!! ...lol!! I also don't blow life's insignificance's in to potential catastrophes either....
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Paul.M
"As usual these old myths and the resulting scaremongering kick-up a load of fear and nonsense. No-ones suggesting here that you don't treat this old stuff with respect, and no-ones suggesting you shouldn't make use of a face mask, but don't blow these old fuses up as being death traps either, ...cause they just ain't!!"
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There are many factories that still have these old fuse types throughout there installations, If they were anywhere near as bad as you and others make them out to be, they would have all been deemed unsafe and ledgistration from H&S outlawing them and MUST be replaced by modern DB's etc..., or at the very least, stating the strips be replaced with alternative material."
They do, its called :-
You'll be safer using your Screwdriver, and remove as you would any other CU, than using a lump hammer to smash them off the wall.
Besides, do you Really think that those tiny bits of asbestos trapped between fuse and holder are going to be any real hazard to you?? OTT springs to mind here!!!
Above is a few things you have said that may need changing.
Please read Guidance Note EH71 before giving any more bad advice.
We could always start another thread with a pole and find out if your opinion is incorrect again?
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There are many factories that still have these old fuse types throughout there installations, If they were anywhere near as bad as you and others make them out to be, they would have all been deemed unsafe and ledgistration from H&S outlawing them and MUST be replaced by modern DB's etc..., or at the very least, stating the strips be replaced with alternative material."
They do, its called :-
You'll be safer using your Screwdriver, and remove as you would any other CU, than using a lump hammer to smash them off the wall.
Besides, do you Really think that those tiny bits of asbestos trapped between fuse and holder are going to be any real hazard to you?? OTT springs to mind here!!!
Above is a few things you have said that may need changing.
Please read Guidance Note EH71 before giving any more bad advice.
We could always start another thread with a pole and find out if your opinion is incorrect again?
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Engineer54
Nothing there that needs changing, i think you seem to forget what is actually being talked about here!! ....CU Fuse carriers!!!
You do what you want my friend, if you think a pole will make yourself feel any better then why not. Certainly isn't going to change my mind on the matter one way or the other!! This is getting way too juvenile now...
Show me any ledgistration current in the UK, outlawing the continual use of those old Rewireable fuses with asbestos protected flash strips?? The sign that you've posted is a warning poster that can be bought anywhere. ...So what are you trying to say, it's saying ??
You do what you want my friend, if you think a pole will make yourself feel any better then why not. Certainly isn't going to change my mind on the matter one way or the other!! This is getting way too juvenile now...
Show me any ledgistration current in the UK, outlawing the continual use of those old Rewireable fuses with asbestos protected flash strips?? The sign that you've posted is a warning poster that can be bought anywhere. ...So what are you trying to say, it's saying ??
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All electricians will come into contact with asbestos at some point,it is inevitable.It is in many building materials including artex ceiling finishes and ceiling tiles.
The HSE allows working with the material as long as the correct proceedures are followed for the safety of the worker and others who may be at risk after the work has been completed.
Here is a link to a whole wad of PDF best practice sheets from the HSE...follow these guidelines and you can work safely with the material in many situations.....if you dont follow the guidelines you put yourself and others at risk and leave yourself open to prosecution.
HSE - Asbestos: Asbestos essentials
The HSE allows working with the material as long as the correct proceedures are followed for the safety of the worker and others who may be at risk after the work has been completed.
Here is a link to a whole wad of PDF best practice sheets from the HSE...follow these guidelines and you can work safely with the material in many situations.....if you dont follow the guidelines you put yourself and others at risk and leave yourself open to prosecution.
HSE - Asbestos: Asbestos essentials
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rocker
Just to clarify people, in case you come into contact with one, I was actually talking about a little sheet of asbestos that is found in some very old CUs, it's about 3" by 2" and is placed upright between old ceramic fuse sockets. So look out for them. But I also say you should use extreme caution when handling any asbestos including fuse carriers and, if possible, don't handle them at all.
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rocker
Well at 102 and still going strong, I think you can afford to have a few ciggies.
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