Armeg Single and double backbox cutter ?

[Soulsurfer]

Hey was thinking about splashing out on the Armeg back box chasing / cut in tool set but it's like £250 !! and am not sure if it with that try-wing red cutter thing will work as well as youpube videos show it ? anybody tried them in real world ? One issue is the concrete over here in Jersey is generally made with a lot of granite in the mix as the whole island is a big lump of the stuff which makes it very hard stone to cut out at the best of times.

I'm just finding it too good to be true and my 4" grinder is super messy and dusty and difficult to get just the double box etc.. without being too much cut across etc..:banghead:

 

[Geordie Spark]

Hey was thinking about splashing out on the Armeg back box chasing / cut in tool set but it's like £250 !! and am not sure if it with that try-wing red cutter thing will work as well as youpube videos show it ? anybody tried them in real world ? One issue is the concrete over here in Jersey is generally made with a lot of granite in the mix as the whole island is a big lump of the stuff which makes it very hard stone to cut out at the best of times.

I'm just finding it too good to be true and my 4" grinder is super messy and dusty and difficult to get just the double box etc.. without being too much cut across etc..:banghead:

I had one.

It was useless on anything harder than plaster or Thermalite block.

Found chaindrilling & clearing out with a Scutch Chisel & 2" bolster quicker & much less messy.

What are the different types of scutch chisel?

 

[NDG Elecs]

Never used one mate (which ain't what you wanted to hear!), but have heard numerous times they are not worth it. Fine and possibly a good bit of kit if you are cutting into soft breeze block but a struggle otherwise. Can't see the kit enjoying granite that much TBH! Chasing can be a pain at the best of times, and is probably most sparks least favourite job.

I generally chase with a Bosch 36V SDS with scutch comb. Normally take 10-20 mins to do a really neat job, depending on the brick.

 

[Soulsurfer]

Thanks guys won't bother then, Geordie, I haven't used a scutch chisel / comb since I started my apprenticeship but they seem around a lot lately are they better generally if knocking out by hand ?

 

[Darkwood]

Not had many good experiences with Armeg, there spade bits twisted in the wood (the actual metal), they replaced my 4 knacked bits for me for free with a 4 fluted auger bit which my 36v top range bosch battery drill couldn't drill it through anything but softwood without slipping its over-torque, I did get use and like their chip board hole cutter and seal kit but overall it seems their design team need to actually get off their computers and field test their designs before putting to market.

 

[Soulsurfer]

How about wall chasing machines ? Any good hooked up to Old Henry Hoover !

 

[NDG Elecs]

Thanks guys won't bother then, Geordie, I haven't used a scutch chisel / comb since I started my apprenticeship but they seem around a lot lately are they better generally if knocking out by hand ?

I find scutches help in keeping the back of the recess neater so the backbox fits nice and straight, not all wonky. I only use the SDS one but with practise can be as precise as with a hand scutch. I would only use a grinder if doing quite a few boxes/chases in a empty property. Too much dust for my liking though.

 

[Soulsurfer]

I find scutches help in keeping the back of the recess neater so the backbox fits nice and straight, not all wonky. I only use the SDS one but with practise can be as precise as with a hand scutch. I would only use a grinder if doing quite a few boxes/chases in a empty property. Too much dust for my liking though.

Dusty, that's my problem I'm sick of it, and days later when people living in there saying it's ok we'll vacuum ! & there's still dust floating about settling everywhere ! I'm off to buy myself a shiny Fein multi master 350Q this morning so I'll look for SDS scutch too !

 

[shanky887614]

I find scutches help in keeping the back of the recess neater so the backbox fits nice and straight, not all wonky. I only use the SDS one but with practise can be as precise as with a hand scutch. I would only use a grinder if doing quite a few boxes/chases in a empty property. Too much dust for my liking though.

or in an anoying customers house, anyway you can easily get foot high piles of dust if your doing a fair bit of chasing in there as well.

sds and grinder is the easiest way, just an sds usually works fine unless its on say red brick in a conservatory then you need a blade or it will chip/slip a lot

 

[hightower]

Chasing can be a pain at the best of times, and is probably most sparks least favourite job.

I quite enjoy chasing out, allows me to pretend the wall is David Cameron. With everyone else, scutch is easiest I find and nice tidy job.

 

[Skimpy Wan]

Metabo chasing machine and vacuum. The dogs dangles!

 

[shanky887614]

I quite enjoy chasing out, allows me to pretend the wall is David Cameron. With everyone else, scutch is easiest I find and nice tidy job.

? with practise you can get nice smooth chases just using an sds in block, it takes a fair bit of practise but you can. i rarely use a bolster at all now (got an old wood chisel for block)

 

[Geordie Spark]

Thanks guys won't bother then, Geordie, I haven't used a scutch chisel / comb since I started my apprenticeship but they seem around a lot lately are they better generally if knocking out by hand ?

Well I take the view that if they're used by sculptors and stonemasons working on jobs like Durham Cathedral & York Miinster they must be ok.

 

[rolyberkin]

Have a set of these which are donkeys years old, okay for light blocks but that is it, the sds chisel which came with the set is handy though!;-)

 

[7029 dave]

I have never used mech aids on occupied house jobs, just too messy.