BAD wiring- what can the customer do?

[tonys]

Who's going to prove who done what? she moved in after the work was done. So a mistake or two was made on the test sheet over the earth system and earth size.

Poor workmanship just endorses the fact that part p does nothing to help its paying members, just gives the good guys of the part p a bad name.

More of this should help get rid of part p and its members.

 

[sean_ork]

I agree, but at the same time this home owner has been ripped off by some dodgy spark, who will more than likely get a slap on the wrist from NAPIT

if it's as bad as it would appear they are likely to want to inspect some of his other works as well, and that may well lead to the suspension of his membership

 

[manda]

I think just the one example should be enough to lead to the suspension of his membership! Or is it that they would rather get his annual fee, than protect the unwary public?

 

[Golden_Boy]

I think just the one example should be enough to lead to the suspension of his membership! Or is it that they would rather get his annual fee, than protect the unwary public?

That sums it up, doesn't it ?

 

[IQ Electrical]

That sums it up, doesn't it ?

The standard of work is awful, the chances of any action against the previous installer(s) are probably non existent.

On another note, can anyone understand why someone would buy a house for say £200,000 and not have the services checked by the relevant trades?

It just amazes me, people buy a second hand car for say £5000 and get a mechanic to check it over! Weird!

 

[Short Circuit]

I think just the one example should be enough to lead to the suspension of his membership! Or is it that they would rather get his annual fee, than protect the unwary public?

Like Golden Boy says, i think that sums it up too - there is no way they would suspend someones membership! They just want the money, after all they are a business at the end of the day, although their reputation will go down hill with work like this!

 

[Short Circuit]

The standard of work is awful, the chances of any action against the previous installer(s) are probably non existent.

On another note, can anyone understand why someone would buy a house for say £200,000 and not have the services checked by the relevant trades?

It just amazes me, people buy a second hand car for say £5000 and get a mechanic to check it over! Weird!

IQ, i agree with what you say about the survey. The house was 300k and the lady opted for the middle of the three surveys possible! She is now in dispute over the survey too, not just over the electrical system either! The surveyor was supposed to have spent 3 hrs at the house and there is no way he has! Prior to seeing the so called certificate, i was starting to think those HIPS pack were a good thing! Obviously not really, as the same person would've signed the job off anyway!

 

[IQ Electrical]

We're involved in a similar case now, a 'surveyor' has created his own inspection sheet with 'sockets', 'lights', 'fuseboard', 'RCD', he has then ticked a box saying 'OK' for each of those 4 categories.

After moving in, the new owners began to have doubts and asked us to carry out a PIR.
Besides incomplete rings and borrowed neutrals, I'll post a picture of the incoming RCD device when I get to a pc, it's worth seeing!

The new owners are now talking about a claim against the 'surveyor' for the cost of the PIR and remedials.

 

[Short Circuit]

The surveys should include at least a PIR! Probably like the surveyor who has looked at the property you refer to, the one here will be some type of civil engineer who really has no idea re the electrics (or much else judging by the state of this house!) He has missed woodworm and damp too. I suspect my customer will get her survey money back, but very much doubt that they will give her any more, but worth a go, Cheers
Looking forward to seeing the photos!

 

[malcolmsanford]

The major problem with this is as we all know the certificate basically covers you as far as when you get in the van and drive away. There is no way anything can happen to the original sparks that did the mare because his argument will be well my cert was sept 09 and your work is Jan 11, so you can't prove negligence.

As everyone says the best you can hope for is to be honest and up front with your customer. Advise her in writing what the problems are and even recommend that if she is not happy with your survey on the installation you have no objections to her calling in another contractor to also do a PIR, but of course at her own expense.

I think it won't go that far as it seems she trusts you and as the good fortune to have found someone honest and concerend about the situation.

 

[BLBelfast]

These surveys normally consist of the surveyor looking to make sure faceplates are present. Never mind the actual wiring.

 

[SMB]

I just find it rather amazing that someone is in the position to purchase a 300K home and hasn't got the sence to call trades people in to check out the property.

My word, nothing stranger than folk.

 

[leolec]

I'm alittle out of depth here but when I registered with NAPIT they made absolutely certain I carry indemnity insurance - surely the remedial work would be covered by this insurance on grounds on bad design if nothing else

 

[Short Circuit]

i can agree that the wiring 'could' have been altered between the cert being issued, and the time that i went - however unlikely, but the earthing arrangement hasnt been altered from TNC-S to TT, as recorded by the person completing the certficate - would you put that down to negligence or incompetence? I dont agree with TonyS 'so a mistake or two was made on the test sheet' - going off that, everyone might as well make it up!

What do you guys think about the indemnity insurance point leo has made - would that cover it? Or is that more for accidents occuring on a site?

 

[telectrix]

i think idemnity insurance is more to do with giving bad advice or poor design, anyway, to make any sort of claim, you would have to find out who installed it in the first place. maybe there is a napit reg. no. on the cert.