bath in bedroom

[electrician4u]

called to a job where the customer wanted more sockets in his bedroom. more than surprised to find a bath about 1 meter away from his bed which he said was moved there 12 years ago with the full consent of the council.he said they hadn't brought up any problems with existing sockets when this was agreed.told him he can't have any sockets within 3 meters of bath.he said he can't accept that.he's also got light switches in the room. would i be right in thinking that's not on also?they're also within 3 meters of the bath

 

[makken]

Nice to see proffessional tradesmen caring about other peoples lives when they are in danger :cuss:. Seems as the chap said the local council done it and the persons life is at risk do you not feel a 3min call to notify the local building control officer would be appropriate in this situation.

 

[Engineer54]

Those draconian out of date UK bathroom rules again!! Our European cousins and our relatives across the pond all allow RCD protected socket outlets in bathrooms and have done so for more years than i can remember!! Doesn't seem to have done them any harm, knowing the Germans, they would be the first to start slapping ban's on outlets in bathrooms if they had reason too!!

Having said that, an open bath within the bedroom is more than a little strange. So how do they cope with spills and the like?? Shame you didn't snap a photo or two!! lol!!

 

[electrician4u]

Well... its all shown in the OSG! Do you have a copy?

I don't think it's clear at all in the OSG. there's actually no specific reference to light switches.in fact, it says accessories are allowed outside zones, which could be 0.6 from the edge of the bath. everyone knows about sockets so no need to go there.
i would be delighted if you could tell me where in the Regs or the OSG it specifically says no light switches allowed outside the zones.

 

[cobrauk]

we had this in a house being built the client wanted a bath in the bed room it was not big enough to comply with the regs so we said no, in the end we had the get the NICEIC to write a letter explaining we were correct before they excepted we right.

What did they do ? they installed one after we finished to job. I found out when I have to go back so sort out another problem, the plumber who installed it also did know he was doing wrong as he was there when we told her she couldn't have one but he still installed it go figure ? I just hope nothing ever happens as it is all documented from our point of view and he would be in the s*it big time

 

[electrician4u]

Those draconian out of date UK bathroom rules again!! Our European cousins and our relatives across the pond all allow RCD protected socket outlets in bathrooms and have done so for more years than i can remember!! Doesn't seem to have done them any harm, knowing the Germans, they would be the first to start slapping ban's on outlets in bathrooms if they had reason too!!

Having said that, an open bath within the bedroom is more than a little strange. So how do they cope with spills and the like?? Shame you didn't snap a photo or two!! lol!!

I dread to think how they cope with it.apparently it used to be the kitchen.i could maybe understand if it was a fancy Victorian type bath but it's an ugly corner bath with all the pipes on display and held up with various clamps and bits of timber.the guys a bit of a catweasle i think

 

[electrician4u]

we had this in a house being built the client wanted a bath in the bed room it was not big enough to comply with the regs so we said no, in the end we had the get the NICEIC to write a letter explaining we were correct before they excepted we right.

What did they do ? they installed one after we finished to job. I found out when I have to go back so sort out another problem, the plumber who installed it also did know he was doing wrong as he was there when we told her she couldn't have one but he still installed it go figure ? I just hope nothing ever happens as it is all documented from our point of view and he would be in the s*it big time

I think I'm gonna take your advise and walk away. he told me if i don't do the sockets he'll just do them himself despite my advise. I know from past experience, if a customer starts arguing the ---- before you've even started they are not going to get any better later! unfortunately, some people think every tradesman on the planet is out to rip them off...I'll keep an eye in the local press for the headline:'man electrocuted in bizarre bedroom bath'

 

[AndyL]

I don't think it's clear at all in the OSG. there's actually no specific reference to light switches.in fact, it says accessories are allowed outside zones, which could be 0.6 from the edge of the bath. everyone knows about sockets so no need to go there.
i would be delighted if you could tell me where in the Regs or the OSG it specifically says no light switches allowed outside the zones.

I think you answer your own question here

 

[electrician4u]

I think you answer your own question here

please elaborate

 

[7029 dave]

I would pass it bye!!.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I don't think it's clear at all in the OSG. there's actually no specific reference to light switches.in fact, it says accessories are allowed outside zones, which could be 0.6 from the edge of the bath. everyone knows about sockets so no need to go there.
i would be delighted if you could tell me where in the Regs or the OSG it specifically says no light switches allowed outside the zones.

FFS.....701.512.3 states the type of switchgear not permitted in bath/shower room zones...only you have suggested light switches are not permitted outside the zones,if you read 701.512.3 you will see that the only specific mention of switchgear/accessories outside the zones is for non SELV LV socket outlets,so therefore by default light switches are permitted outside the zones...ie >0.6m from the edge of the bath.Do you have a copy of 7671?

 

[electrician4u]

i do indeed.but to be honest, i've never been in a bathroom without a pullswitch so just assumed that perhaps somewhere hidden in the regs was something prohibiting light switches.perhaps the regs have changed otherwise you'd see switches more often?

 

[Engineer54]

I think I'm gonna take your advise and walk away. he told me if i don't do the sockets he'll just do them himself despite my advise. I know from past experience, if a customer starts arguing the ---- before you've even started they are not going to get any better later! unfortunately, some people think every tradesman on the planet is out to rip them off...I'll keep an eye in the local press for the headline:'man electrocuted in bizarre bedroom bath'

Unless this guy does something extremely silly i fear you'll be waiting with baited breath for a very long time!!

 

[electrician4u]

FFS.....701.512.3 states the type of switchgear not permitted in bath/shower room zones...only you have suggested light switches are not permitted outside the zones,if you read 701.512.3 you will see that the only specific mention of switchgear/accessories outside the zones is for non SELV LV socket outlets,so therefore by default light switches are permitted outside the zones...ie >0.6m from the edge of the bath.Do you have a copy of 7671?

having been a rule for god-knows how long (zone 3, anyone?) seems like a very backward step to allow this. don't tell me if you walked into a bathroom and saw a light switch on the wall you wouldn't think it was odd?and presumably you're now allowed switched fused spurs for radiators?

 

[Des 56]

having been a rule for god-knows how long (zone 3, anyone?) seems like a very backward step to allow this. don't tell me if you walked into a bathroom and saw a light switch on the wall you wouldn't think it was odd?and presumably you're now allowed switched fused spurs for radiators?

I have a switch on the wall in my bathroom,I think its odd, but the Mrs quite likes the cheap white look.maybe I should paint the wall a different colour

 

[Guest55]

having been a rule for god-knows how long (zone 3, anyone?) seems like a very backward step to allow this. don't tell me if you walked into a bathroom and saw a light switch on the wall you wouldn't think it was odd?and presumably you're now allowed switched fused spurs for radiators?

ever switched on the hob / kettle / extractor / wash. mach, / lights / socket / toaster in the kitchen with wet hands after using the sink or washing the van or coming in from the rain ?

millions do every day , no-one gets killed.
and seeing as all circuits within bathroom now have to be rcd'd, what do you percieve as the risk to having a wall switch out of the zones ?

;-)