Bathroom fixtures on fused spurs

[sidekick]

I have a job where customer wants 'Heated towel rail', 'Whirlpool bath' and 'Heated floor' all in same bathroom with no cupboard space to put fused spurs. As I will have to mount the fused spurs outside the bathroom on the landing wall is there a way round having a bank of 3 fused conection units, alight switch and the control for the heated floor. ???

 

[electromonkey]

Could you put the fused spurs in the loft and use a grid switch with DP's to isolate them?

Depending on the cover going over the side of the bath, the spurs can go there. I believe, if the bath panel is fixed in place, zone 1 rules don't necessarily apply. A far wiser spark can correct me if I am wrong?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Why can't the FCUs go in the bathroom?

 

[telectrix]

FCUs are allowed in zone 2, IMO.

 

[electromonkey]

Sidekick says he has to mount them on the outside, I'm assuming the bathroom has already been tiled and doesn't want to make a pigs ear of it.

Am I right about under the bath gents?

 

[IQ Electrical]

Sidekick says he has to mount them on the outside, I'm assuming the bathroom has already been tiled and doesn't want to make a pigs ear of it.

Am I right about under the bath gents?

You are quite correct if the panel can only be removed by a tool then it is considered to be outside the zones.

 

[MarkieSparkie]

FCUs are allowed in zone 2, IMO.

Only SELV switches and sockets, and BSEN61558-2-5 shaver supplies if fixed where direct spray is unlikely allowed in Zone 2, any SELV source must be outside the zones. General LV accessories are allowed outside the zones, with the exception of socket-outlets which must be 3m horizontally from the boundary of Zone 1.

 

[electromonkey]

You are quite correct if the panel can only be removed by a tool then it is considered to be outside the zones.

That's how I come about getting some of my work, "tools" removing things that they ought not to. :wink5:

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Only SELV switches and sockets, and BSEN61558-2-5 shaver supplies if fixed where direct spray is unlikely allowed in Zone 2, any SELV source must be outside the zones. General LV accessories are allowed outside the zones, with the exception of socket-outlets which must be 3m horizontally from the boundary of Zone 1.

Actually the wording is: switchgear, accessories incorporating swtches.......
As such, unswitched FCUs are allowed in zone 2.

 

[sidekick]

Thanks for all the advice guys. Sorry not got back till now.
Bathroom already tiled with floor about to be tiled once heated floor in. Already has cable in place under floor for bath and heated floor. Both start under landing floor and unconnected to ring as yet. Need to put cable in for towel rail still.

Bath panel acrylic and easily clips in and out.
Also note upstairs ring not currently RCD protected although could change MCB for RCBO.
Was going to put RCD FCU on landing for bath and FCU for heated floor (not too bad) then they decided on heated towel rail as well, so third FCU not so pretty. Now thinking bath and floor FCU's on landing wall and 'unswitched' FCU in bathroom by Towel rail as fixed outlet plate (1m from bath). ??

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Installing an RCD FCU would not provide RCD protection for the circuit, just part of the circuit.
BS7671 requires that the circuit be RCD protected, not just part of it.

 

[sidekick]

Yes but the existing ring circuit not RCD protected will be no worse for the addition as long as the addition of an electrical item in the bathroom is RCD protected.

 

[JUD]

Installing an RCD FCU would not provide RCD protection for the circuit, just part of the circuit.
BS7671 requires that the circuit be RCD protected, not just part of it.

Only the work YOU carry out has to comply with current regs so RCD FCU would be fine.

There is no requirement to bring wiring installed to an earlier edition of the regs up to current standards.

Bonding etc. should be checked of course. :smiley2:

 

[SimpleSimon]

Thanks for all the advice guys. Sorry not got back till now.
Bathroom already tiled with floor about to be tiled once heated floor in. Already has cable in place under floor for bath and heated floor. Both start under landing floor and unconnected to ring as yet. Need to put cable in for towel rail still.

Bath panel acrylic and easily clips in and out.
Also note upstairs ring not currently RCD protected although could change MCB for RCBO.
Was going to put RCD FCU on landing for bath and FCU for heated floor (not too bad) then they decided on heated towel rail as well, so third FCU not so pretty. Now thinking bath and floor FCU's on landing wall and 'unswitched' FCU in bathroom by Towel rail as fixed outlet plate (1m from bath). ??

Think this is a good solution cosmetically. No probs with that. Can't you put an RCBO at the board? As all those spurs would need protection.

 

[Spudnik]

Totally off topic, but i installed my first socket in a bathroom today!!

:hurray: