Becoming a electrician in few weeks! (Crash courses)

[sparkz]

I know a local guy, calls himself a handy man. His doing a Electrical Crash Course with Trade Skills 4 U. He was telling me his going to be more qualified than me because his doing 17th edition and also a Part P course. I believe learning the hardway is the best way. I attended college and did my 16th Edition an NVQ's for 3 years then worked on site for another 2 years as a aprrentice. Thats 5 years of studying. I dont understand how these courses work? How can they combine everything in such a small amount of time. Could someone explain to me what these courses invole?
At the end of the day i did mention to him he wouldnt last long on price work or even getting a job on a building site.

Appreciate your help....

 

[sparks1973]

example, my shower stopped working, landlord sent an odd job man to replace it,
not impressed so complained that a sparky should have at least checked it, so out comes the letting agents electrician, nice bloke i spoke to him as i was awaiting my niceic at the time,he was an old lag, time served,with his own firm couple of apprentices etc. and later worked with him. but all he did was check that the connections were good in the shower... dont need a cert.as its like for like he said as he left. now if that was me as a dommy i would have at least checked the bonding, non evident, and the IR, and recommended fitting an rcbo, he didnt even look at the fusebox ! experienced yes, assuming definately, i went on a rewire job as he was short handed, minimum amount of power and lighting outlets,and didnt put protection over notched joist, despite my suggestion, put smokes on rcd lighting circuit and so on, all he was interested in was getting offsite asap with the cash, i was reminded of Harry Enfields, 'loads of money , splish splash splosh, loads of dosh.'

well part of me thinks...you get what you pays for......but another part of me thinks....how appalling
not to ensure that the circuit in question was fit for continued service.....and also not to ensure that either:
1) supplementary bonding was in place
2) additional protection by means of RCD was not installed
these are boxes that are on a SOI by the way.....

 

[kingeri]

Nothing like dredging up a well ancient thread with a badly written post and then not even bothering to respond again. Is there?

 

[sparks1973]

Nothing like dredging up a well ancient thread with a badly written post and then not even bothering to respond again. Is there?

no.......

 

[ipf]

Nothing like dredging up a well ancient thread with a badly written post and then not even bothering to respond again. Is there?

Probably because she's beetroot red after that illiterate gaff.....poor lass.

 

[hutch6447]

There seems to be loads of negativity about this subject it confuses the **** out of me.

As a Qualified electrician in forces (Royal Engineers EOD) because of the nature of are job we do it for 2 years then get hurled off to bomb disposal for 4 years then hurled back into electrics and so on, now because I decided I didn't want to get blown up any more I decided to leave and in my re settlement year did all the courses to bring me up to standard for domestic work eg. Part P, 17th edition as I had 16 Testing & Inspection I found the course good and was a good refresher I found myself confident enough to work for myself but also working with others on big Re-wires some of these people were Electricians and some Domestic Installers, domestic installers were fine to work with but I also have experience of these forums and to be honest if someone wants advice or tips he doesn't get it he just gets comments to lower his confidence presumably.

So were does this leave me an electrician qualified in forces but need to do the 4-5 week course to get necessary qualifications to work domestically which is what I wanted to do, domestic installer or apprenticeship for 5 years or JIB card or Elecsa, NIC EIC there is more than one way to skin a cat.

I am taking my 2391 or the new form of it soon cause its been split into 2, is it worth going on this forum for advice or will you just get worthless comments that really don,t help.

Soz about the story but its all confusing having been In the army bubble for 12 years?

 

[Des 56]

Short courses may be the perfect tool for your own situation converting from a forces background to a civilian occupation
It may not be so perfect for someone new to the trade

Who ever says training in the forces is somehow inferior to civilian training, or somehow the person working in electrics in the forces is not an electrician outside is talking through their rear end

The intensity of training may be much more in the forces than outside, 6 months or more of intense no nonesense classroom followed by supervised ongoing practical experience ,with added training as time progresses,its top notch and unlikely to be surpassed in a civilian occupation

If you were trained in the forces as an electrician,then you are an electrican end of

 

[hutch6447]

Yes but at the end of the day you don't know everything and you have skill fade so when you go on this forum just for confirmation they shot you down. I aint gonna lye trained in forces also done domestic installers course gone self employed, its nice to ask questions and get confirmation!

 

[ipf]

Yes but at the end of the day you don't know everything and you have skill fade so when you go on this forum just for confirmation they shot you down. I aint gonna lye trained in forces also done domestic installers course gone self employed, its nice to ask questions and get confirmation!

Don't be on the back foot if you need advice. As has been said, it's those starting from scratch, without experience, who think they are qualified to a suitable degree, who cause most grief . Most can see that and comment as a result. Ignore the ignorant who can't. If those asking for help explained their situation it would remove a lot of the presumption.

 

[HandySparks]

Stick a short summary of your background and quals in your profile page on this forum and fill in the "location". Then put a reminder in the post when you ask a question. You're much less likely to run into trouble here if members know who they're talking to.