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[Guest77]

We have a different cultural approach to alcohol and unlike France and Germany we are brought up totally different to value of achohol, it was so restricted and pricey for so many years that all of a sudden it was cheap and on tap 24/7, and to a country that associates alchohol with getting so hammered you pass out this became a recipe for disaster.. just look at the big resorts that are mainly UK tourists and you see how we differ from other countries.

well trouble with that is we are european and we are allowed free movement within it, people from here just rent vans and go over the border and fill up with cheap booze, thats why pubs are allowed to stay open longer to get business, to be fair to all governments the tax on beer is horrendous as it is, pubs are going under one a week, what do you suggest then? ban all drinking? the fact it is 24 hours a day here like everywhere else, were not all alchoholics are we? there are prats everywhere, blaming labour for our drinking culture also unfair, there were pi$$ heads about long before blair came to power, even if drinking was cut back to 11 oclock closing it wouldn't stop people getting hammered.

 

[Darkwood]

well trouble with that is we are european and we are allowed free movement within it, people from here just rent vans and go over the border and fill up with cheap booze, thats why pubs are allowed to stay open longer to get business, to be fair to all governments the tax on beer is horrendous as it is, pubs are going under one a week, what do you suggest then? ban all drinking? the fact it is 24 hours a day here like everywhere else, were not all alchoholics are we? there are prats everywhere, blaming labour for our drinking culture also unfair, there were pi$$ heads about long before blair came to power, even if drinking was cut back to 11 oclock closing it wouldn't stop people getting hammered.

The figures speak for themselves, the introduction of 24hr drinking and the drive of cheap booze from the supermarkets has seen a large rise in dependency and as for alchohol related incidents and medical requirements that figure shot through the roof, I drank in the days of restricted hours and lack of cheap supermarket beer and yes you had your p$$sheads like any generation but it worse now than ever, before you could catagorise the type of family that were alchy's and their social status, nowadays you see it from all social backgrounds common place to be ratarsed and out of control.

My answer to start with is if your burden on societies services like the NHS is through your own idiocy like drinking to a stuper then you should be issued with a bill when society has to get you sober and pick up the pieces, if you had to pay for your night in the cells or you broken nose to be fixed because you were fighting after one too many then its going to have a sobering effect the next day when you see your antics hit hard in the pocket.

Maybe the forcast couldn't have been predicted but the consequences were clear and neither Labour or the Conservatives have seen fit to tackle the issue head on.... why we live in a time where we pay for an alchoholic to stay drunk and don't treat them is beyond me and baffles common sense.

 

[Spoon]

The figures speak for themselves, the introduction of 24hr drinking and the drive of cheap booze from the supermarkets has seen a large rise in dependency and as for alchohol related incidents and medical requirements that figure shot through the roof, I drank in the days of restricted hours and lack of cheap supermarket beer and yes you had your p$$sheads like any generation but it worse now than ever, before you could catagorise the type of family that were alchy's and their social status, nowadays you see it from all social backgrounds common place to be ratarsed and out of control.

My answer to start with is if your burden on societies services like the NHS is through your own idiocy like drinking to a stuper then you should be issued with a bill when society has to get you sober and pick up the pieces, if you had to pay for your night in the cells or you broken nose to be fixed because you were fighting after one too many then its going to have a sobering effect the next day when you see your antics hit hard in the pocket.

Maybe the forcast couldn't have been predicted but the consequences were clear and neither Labour or the Conservatives have seen fit to tackle the issue head on.... why we live in a time where we pay for an alchoholic to stay drunk and don't treat them is beyond me and baffles common sense.

Sounds like you are expecting everyone to be like you, who drank sensible all his life.
Getting plastered had nothing to do with background or social status and its stupid to say so. People have been getting plastered for years. Many years ago so did I. I didnt go round fighting or causing any bother.
So if I get drunk and some idiot punched me then you expect me to pay a bill cause Ive been drinking? Seriously...

 

[Guest77]

Of course governments will stick with 24 hour drinking, they get about 60% of the money from every pint, the more supped the more money, like cigarettes, apparently it is around 11 billion a year in taxes, so although they look like they care about smoking related diseases they won't ever ban it, all politicians rely on drinking and smoking taxes to help run the country.

 

[Guest77]

my application form is on it's way.

By the way, happy birthday mate.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Who's fault is all this again?
Nothing to do with the Supermarkets undercutting the pubs?
Nothing to do with the Drink Drive laws making people reluctant to go any distance to a pub?
Nothing to do with TV making people prefer to stay at home rather than go to some dingy Pub?
Nothing to do with the increase in the availability of DIY products and other housing improvements, so that people's houses are now somewhere where they want to be rather than down some dingy Pub?
Nothing to do with our society in general.
It's all down to one man, everything is his fault.

 

[7029 dave]

This kind of news makes me sick. WHAT MUGS WE ARE!!!

 

[egg67]

Once you could get a drink when you wanted to morning, afternoon and evening. Then one day the people in the big house stopped all that and said you can only have a drink at these times,but at the big house it was drink all day and night because we work so hard,fu-k the worker, years pass and one day some one says lets go back to old times and let the pubs open all day it might stop the binge drinking.
I have sat in a pub at 8am drinking a beer but have just finished a 12 hour night shift but the look you get from people going to work is like I am a **** head but all I'm doing is having a drink after work before I go home to have dinner and go to bed is that wrong? In the old days we would not have been able to do that, as for the drunks on dole if they drink stop the money do not give them more money cut the money so they can not buy the drink

 

[Deleted member 26818]

What I don't quite understand, is this:
We have the Breweries, Pub chains, Supermarkets, etc. all making profits out of drinking.
Why then don't we make them pay for all the trouble that drinking causes?

 

[Darkwood]

Sounds like you are expecting everyone to be like you, who drank sensible all his life.
Getting plastered had nothing to do with background or social status and its stupid to say so. People have been getting plastered for years. Many years ago so did I. I didnt go round fighting or causing any bother.
So if I get drunk and some idiot punched me then you expect me to pay a bill cause Ive been drinking? Seriously...

I get drunk like the next man but there is a difference between drunk and merry and an agressive lout out for a fight, we live in a cctv society and the majority of abuse is in and around you average public house, its not rocket science nowadys to establish the innocent from the guilty and ok the odd person may get collared by a fine so introduce a 3strikes and out... that will allow for the genuine bystander but any regular lout will soon find he's lost his chances..

Im not trying to act all 'dont drink too much' as we all have done it, but there is a difference between those that go out intentionally set on becoming drunk beyond their limits as well as those who have a aggresive streak and your regular joe public, Im not talking about the lass or lad walking the wavy line home here, Im talking the the lass / lad in total state they can't get their face off the pavement or the idiot who thinks he's rocky's offspring.

We now have a culture of people that are loading up till sometimes midnight at home or a friends then going out already too p%%sed to barely stand and hitting straight to the nightclubs, so if I sound old and grumpy by saying these people spoil the occasion for everyone else out for a good night then yes Im grumpy but there is no excuse for justifying or defending the state some people get into...its like everything else in life - if you ignore your own limits then thats when your actions effect others.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I don't drink.
I discovered some time ago that if I drink, I get drunk, and invariably when I wake up I regret the whole thing.
Police Station breakfast is not nice.

 

[egg67]

About 4 years ago the supermarkets and the Brewers had a bit of a conflict, the supermarkets wanted to beer cheaper the beer cheaper the Brewers wanted more, so the Brewers cut the alc vol for becks from 5 to 4.8, Stella was cut from 5.2 to 4.8 the cans and bottles were made smaller and it saved Brewers a lot of money , and the supermarkets got the price they wanted
Most people going out for the night for a drink tend to have a drink before going out so are leaving drunk as this is cheaper and then more dunk when out then get in trouble with police

 

[7029 dave]

Anyway, I am off down the club for a few with my own £9.!!

 

[Guest77]

Anyway, I am off down the club for a few with my own £9.!!

You can get 4 here with 9 quid fella, have fun.

 

[EoinConway]

We have a different cultural approach to alcohol and unlike France and Germany we are brought up totally different to value of achohol, it was so restricted and pricey for so many years that all of a sudden it was cheap and on tap 24/7, and to a country that associates alchohol with getting so hammered you pass out this became a recipe for disaster.. just look at the big resorts that are mainly UK tourists and you see how we differ from other countries.

Can't speak about other countries but I believe 'binge' drinking, particularly with teenagers, has went through the roof in France. Of course all the familiar things relating to (or at least being blamed for being relating to it) - have also increased e.g. teen pregnancy, weekend hospital admissions, public disorder offences etc

The recession was being blamed in the particular bit of news-speak I was listening too - "they can't get a job, they have no money, so they just get drunk.......":sick: