best sds drill??

[john999uk]

Interesting post Outspoken.
I wonder how many regularly get their kit PAT tested? I would guess due to the kit being used in a work environment then the frequency of testing must be quite short?

It always amazes me how complex it can be to fully know every law and regulation that a trade has to have knowledge about. It must be exceedingly difficult to maintain your knowledge base of to cover everything.

Do the schemes actually hold a reference list of all the laws, regs etc. that an electrician should be familiar with?

Hope the above doesn't come across as having a go, it is quite the opposite. Outspokens post just further reinforces why electricians are more than justified in their charges.

Thanks

 

[SPARTYKUS]

If you are working, that is being paid, then you need to comply with the law with respect to electrical safety, not just the installation work your undertaking.

Under the MHSAW and the HSAW employers and employees have a legal duty to undertake risk assessments for all work they undertake and to reduce the risks to the lowest economic/practicable level. The work you will be doing means that other acts come into play, such as PUWER, CDM and related regulations depending pon what your doing and what equipment your using, such as scaffolding, MEWPS etc.

Now under the CDM regulations and the guidance given out by the HSE for the use of power tools in work environments, bear in mind although it is a home, you are actually working and thus fall under the general scope of the regulations involved, the HSE state the following..



Clearly although it does not ban the use of 240V tools it does strongly suggest you should not, and generally with the HSE that means you do so at your peril because it it goes wrong and they can demonstrate you have not taken reasonable care , ignored the regulations and guidance or otherwise worked in a dangerous or reckless manner they can and do prosecute.

I would hope regardless of your position on the use of 240V tools though, if you do that they have an RCD attached to the lead at some point for added safety.

Im going to enjoy your posts outspoken!

you're probably right but the chances of summat going with a tool (240v) in good order RCD'd (assuming said rcd works, they fail ye know!) and actually causing an issue apart from requiring .... A new drill, well :teeth_smile:

 

[Outspoken]

I would totally agree Spartykus, personally I do not have an issue with the use of 240V tools in a domestic environment so long as an RCD is used, or the circuit is RCD protected at least.

The only proviso I would put on that is that a decent 110V drill lasts a lot longer than a 240V tool...and battery drills are far more useful and handy

 

[shanky887614]

Interesting post Outspoken.
I wonder how many regularly get their kit PAT tested? I would guess due to the kit being used in a work environment then the frequency of testing must be quite short?

It always amazes me how complex it can be to fully know every law and regulation that a trade has to have knowledge about. It must be exceedingly difficult to maintain your knowledge base of to cover everything.

Do the schemes actually hold a reference list of all the laws, regs etc. that an electrician should be familiar with?

Hope the above doesn't come across as having a go, it is quite the opposite. Outspokens post just further reinforces why electricians are more than justified in their charges.

Thanks

a lot dont pat test equipment, ive met a few who just buy the labels, fill them out then stick them on

 

[Outspoken]

Interesting post Outspoken.
I wonder how many regularly get their kit PAT tested? I would guess due to the kit being used in a work environment then the frequency of testing must be quite short?

It always amazes me how complex it can be to fully know every law and regulation that a trade has to have knowledge about. It must be exceedingly difficult to maintain your knowledge base of to cover everything.

Do the schemes actually hold a reference list of all the laws, regs etc. that an electrician should be familiar with?

Hope the above doesn't come across as having a go, it is quite the opposite. Outspokens post just further reinforces why electricians are more than justified in their charges.

Thanks

John, if everyone abided by the PAT testing guidelines, which from memory are not mandatory but a recommended acop, as oppose to a regulatory acop like L8, then 240v tools used for work and the chargers of battery drills would be PAT tested every 3-6 months, however in reality you will be lucky to find anyone doing within the life of the tool.

With regards a database or similar repository of acts, regulations, guidelines, acops etc that a spark/electrical contractor may have to adhere too I really do not think it possible because the whole range of installations, equipment and environments are so varied that the list would encompass perhaps several hundred items, and then you also need to account for manufacturers guides which can cause compliance issues as well.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

all depends on what you want. cordless sds drills are OK for odd jobs, but for continuous use, and a hell of a lot less money, buy 110V ( or 240V if it,s for domestic. i got a 110V makita was around £100. does it all.

yep....always avoid using a battery drill unless absolutely necessary...as every time you take a charge...you take a life off the battery..
i use makita 110V stuff ....
about as good as it gets i reckon....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

a lot dont pat test equipment, ive met a few who just buy the labels, fill them out then stick them on

which pat testing guys are these then?...
you may make a list...if you wish...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I would totally agree Spartykus, personally I do not have an issue with the use of 240V tools in a domestic environment so long as an RCD is used, or the circuit is RCD protected at least.

The only proviso I would put on that is that a decent 110V drill lasts a lot longer than a 240V tool...and battery drills are far more useful and handy

and if you go to a site where theres no RCD?
stop being soft and get yourself some proper (110V) gear....

 

[Outspoken]

and if you go to a site where theres no RCD?
stop being soft and get yourself some proper (110V) gear....

Wind your neck in and stop having a pop based on a misreading of my posts, I do not own any 240V tools at all, everything is 110V, 36V,24V, or 18V

 

[snoopydo]

seems strange to totally knock 240v tools tbh, even on building sites you will find 240v chargers, kettles, radios, vacume cleaners etc.... its the person using the tool thats the danger rather than the tool itself in most cases. the too, using the tool so to speak.

we can all agree 110v on site is what is needed, but for small domestic jobs its sometimes alot easier to have a 240v tool handy.

 

[i=p/u]

18v milwaukee sds I use, drill 20mm holes no problem and 240v if lots of holes