Blind quoting/ fixed price per item

[jase]

Hi guys, I brought a lead on Rated people job was to install an external heater, external socket and and an internal socket, so I emailed them saying I would like to come and see exactly what was required, as I like to get it clear in my head of cable routes, where to get the feeds from, wether there is RCD protection and of course wether bonding is in place, they emailed back saying they would prefer if I could quote for the work and ccome prepared to complete the job, but I feel without looking at it
how do I know what is required?? WWill I need a chaser oval tube , clips, conduit, black flex, white flex, surface boxes flush boxes, crimps, go knows, what ddo peeps think, should I just give her a price per point and hope I take what I need?? I get the feeling she has the heater and outdoor socket

 

[needasparks]

Main reason these sites are best left alone.
The people that use them think their buying a loaf of bread and not the type of customers I would want to do work for as it has problems writen all over it.

 

[Steve_P]

I did some work for another agency type (never again, wunch of bankers). Stick by your guns mate, the so called trades people who are rated are rated by the customer, not for ability but for how nice they were when they turned up. A lot of the time, the agency will only ask "Are you an electrician?" and that's all they want to know. If they won't let you go and have a look, however tight work is, walk away from it coz you'll almost certainly end up out of pocket.

Just my thoughts . . . . .

 

[alarm man]

Hi guys, I brought a lead on Rated people job was to install an external heater, external socket and and an internal socket, so I emailed them saying I would like to come and see exactly what was required, as I like to get it clear in my head of cable routes, where to get the feeds from, wether there is RCD protection and of course wether bonding is in place, they emailed back saying they would prefer if I could quote for the work and ccome prepared to complete the job, but I feel without looking at it
how do I know what is required?? WWill I need a chaser oval tube , clips, conduit, black flex, white flex, surface boxes flush boxes, crimps, go knows, what ddo peeps think, should I just give her a price per point and hope I take what I need?? I get the feeling she has the heater and outdoor socket

walk away..

 

[Farmelectrics]

Swerve them

 

[jase]

How bout If I did an estimate? That way I could invoice for the job, and if the price is different then that's cos it was an estimate not a quote?

 

[Adam W]

They probably want you to turn up on time in a van, wear clean clothes, smile politely, don't chew gum, don't drink too much tea, speak clearly without too much of a regional accent, do the job for the price you quoted even though you hadn't seen it to be able to give an accurate quote, and vacuum up before you leave. As regards this heater or whatever, it just needs to work and look nice.
Not my cup of tea, but I'm not a domestic installer.

 

[Guest111]

Hi guys, I brought a lead on Rated people job was to install an external heater, external socket and and an internal socket, so I emailed them saying I would like to come and see exactly what was required, as I like to get it clear in my head of cable routes, where to get the feeds from, wether there is RCD protection and of course wether bonding is in place, they emailed back saying they would prefer if I could quote for the work and ccome prepared to complete the job, but I feel without looking at it
how do I know what is required?? WWill I need a chaser oval tube , clips, conduit, black flex, white flex, surface boxes flush boxes, crimps, go knows, what ddo peeps think, should I just give her a price per point and hope I take what I need?? I get the feeling she has the heater and outdoor socket

Ring your gp tell him you have a pain in your chest and ask for painkillers,see what his answer is,same thing with sparking you cannot do your job properly without seeing your "patient".

 

[alarm man]

How bout If I did an estimate? That way I could invoice for the job, and if the price is different then that's cos it was an estimate not a quote?

you could,but you wont get paid...

 

[needasparks]

Jase, not sure if your trying to justify the cost of buying the job fella but there is a theme with the replies here for a reason mate.

 

[telectrix]

solution. go onto rp site. report it --- a bad lead " customer didn't allow me to quote" at least rp will credit you for the lead. then use that credit to buy a far more expensive lead ( e.g. for a rewire ) and pick a promising job. go and get it, then stay clear of ratted people

 

[jase]

Jase, not sure if your trying to justify the cost of buying the job fella but there is a theme with the replies here for a reason mate.

Not trying to justify anything, I have used Rated people before and got a fair bit of work from it, I never pay more than £9 for a lead and I only go for the first chance leads i.e no-one else has brought them yet so i am the first, have had quite a bit of repeat business just off the back of a £4.50 lead, this one just stunned me a bit tho cos after a bit of googling it appears that the potential customer is Managing Director of a well known uk resturant chain with 50 resturaunts up and down the uk and is quite an astute business woman, so to come out with " could you give a quote and come prepared to complete the work, I want it done thursday" beggers beleif cos i wouldnt have thought she wasnt stupid and truth be told i was hoping it could lead to more work, but i guess you cant win em all eh!!

 

[oldAL]

ah, sas it all, astute business women, probably a helluva lot more to the job than she is telling and that is why she wants a quote without you seeing the job.
or maybe Im just pessimistic.

 

[Steve_P]

Sorry? Am I missing something here? YOU have to pay RP? For a lead? Not a definate job!!! There must be a hell of a lot of people paying them so they can afford the TV ads. Uh . . . . huh . . . . . . .

 

[Ricen'easy]

and how many times do they sell the same job errrr sorry lead sorry enquiry? Good money for old rope!

 

[jase]

the leads are sold to 3 people, hence why i only go for the ones that haven't been brought yet as experience has taught me that if you are the first to quote you normally get the job, if customer wont allow you to quote or you cannot get in touch with custome then you can ask RP for a credit, which itself isnt a bad thing cos a credit is given in form of a free lead, I have had a couple of credits on leads which i only payed £4-£5 for and used them on bigger leads worth £11- £20, the joke is that the price of the lead is determined by the budget of the job, and that is set by the customer, so mrs smith wants to replace faulty bathroom extractor fan, she sets budget of £500 cos that what she has in her savings account, which means lead price is £40!!! and I am NOT going to pay £40 just to get the chance to quote on a job i might not get and which will only get me my £40 back!!!, other times it works well as people just put in a nominal amount so the lead is £4.50, but this could be for a job that is worth a few hundred quid,

 

[jase]

haha, this mornings developments........
ME:
More information is needed in order to quote "blind" if at all.

The electric wall heater, is this to be hard wired? or will it plug into the external socket? if hard wired where is the feed to be obtained?
Where is the feed for the external socket to be obtained?
when you say internal single socket is this next to an existing socket? near an existing socket? is it to be part of an extended ring main? or just a spur off of an existing circuit? would it be flush or surface mounted
you say the house was Re-wired, when was this? is there RCD protection on the circuits on which the proposed work is to take place?
Is the Earthing and bonding adequate as outlined in Reg 132.16 of BS7671?

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Her:Okay - point taken .

Could you possibly come and survey tomorrow after 4.30 ?


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[Smudge]

haha, this mornings developments........
ME:
More information is needed in order to quote "blind" if at all.

The electric wall heater, is this to be hard wired? or will it plug into the external socket? if hard wired where is the feed to be obtained?
Where is the feed for the external socket to be obtained?
when you say internal single socket is this next to an existing socket? near an existing socket? is it to be part of an extended ring main? or just a spur off of an existing circuit? would it be flush or surface mounted
you say the house was Re-wired, when was this? is there RCD protection on the circuits on which the proposed work is to take place?
Is the Earthing and bonding adequate as outlined in Reg 132.16 of BS7671?

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Her:Okay - point taken .

Could you possibly come and survey tomorrow after 4.30 ?


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haha this amused me. Your ability to still word the questions politely has to be commended!

 

[dean.diy]

An interesting thread. I've been that keen young man myself ( scrub young).
But any bloke who's ever loaded meter/ toolbox/ drill in a van can feel aggro
ahead.