NAPIT Certification Scheme Blueflame trade test for napit

[Octopus]

Not Akward Person Intermediate Test

 

[MarkieSparkie]

Not only do you do the test till you get it right, but it's also open book(s) as well, how can this possibly be considered equivalent to CG2391.

 

[Engineer54]

Not only do you do the test till you get it right, but it's also open book(s) as well, how can this possibly be considered equivalent to CG2391.

So, ...Not A Particularly Impressive Test, ...then, by all accounts!!!

Another exam/test that you can't fail, ....well for long

 

[Des 56]

Napit are no different to Eca and the Niceic,they play the numbers game

How can any system be efficient at maintaining standards, when they are first of all dependant on member numbers and secondly operating the assessments for those member numbers in opposition to each other

 

[jmtisme]

sat it myself when I sat it two guys failled it I wasnt one of the ones that failled

 

[IQ Electrical]

Napit are no different to Eca and the Niceic,they play the numbers game

How can any system be efficient at maintaining standards, when they are first of all dependant on member numbers and secondly operating the assessments for those member numbers in opposition to each other

I agree on the 'numbers game' but there is no 'NICEIC 2391-10 or ELECSA 2391-10' that's the difference here, NAPIT have devised an open-book 'test' as described in the posts above but called it 'N2391' which has a striking similarity to a well-respected, closed-book full-written City & Guilds qualification!

 

[malcolmsanford]

I agree on the 'numbers game' but there is no 'NICEIC 2391-10 or ELECSA 2391-10' that's the difference here, NAPIT have devised an open-book 'test' as described in the posts above but called it 'N2391' which has a striking similarity to a well-respected, closed-book full-written City & Guilds qualification!

I can see that it is pre-fixed with the letter 'N' but don't the C&G get rather miffed at this blatant plagiarism ?

 

[Des 56]

I agree on the 'numbers game' but there is no 'NICEIC 2391-10 or ELECSA 2391-10' that's the difference here, NAPIT have devised an open-book 'test' as described in the posts above but called it 'N2391' which has a striking similarity to a well-respected, closed-book full-written City & Guilds qualification!

I would have thought outside of Napit,it would not have any stature. so it seems comparing it to the city and guilds is not a fair comparison
Where i believe it stems from is this numbers game again
Niceic domestic installer(approved contractor even) and Elecsa dont stipulate 2391 for entry,Napit stipulate the 2391 for their entry requirement

They then have a proviso that if it isn't held, the candidate has 12 months to get it,and here is the get out for them in the numbers game.
They can take the Na 2391 as an acceptable alternative
Napit get the training course money,they get the member, and they have held up their entry requirement,well at least on paper if not morally

Niceic and Elecsa ask for only one of the list of acceptable qualifications for competent person ,this as we know, means just perhaps a regulations 2382 or whatever number it is now, and an assessment

Its all putting on a face of adhering to the legistlation,but in the end a numbers game

 

[IQ Electrical]

I would have thought outside of Napit,it would not have any stature. so it seems comparing it to the city and guilds is not a fair comparison
Where i believe it stems from is this numbers game again
Niceic domestic installer(approved contractor even) and Elecsa dont stipulate 2391 for entry,Napit stipulate the 2391 for their entry requirement

They then have a proviso that if it isn't held, the candidate has 12 months to get it,and here is the get out for them in the numbers game.
They can take the Na 2391 as an acceptable alternative
Napit get the training course money,they get the member, and they have held up their entry requirement,well at least on paper if not morally

Niceic and Elecsa ask for only one of the list of acceptable qualifications for competent person ,this as we know, means just perhaps a regulations 2382 or whatever number it is now, and an assessment

Its all putting on a face of adhering to the legistlation,but in the end a numbers game

What an awfully cynical attitude, I can't imagine that you believe the scheme provider's main priority is 'bums on seats'?

 

[JD6400]

sat it myself when I sat it two guys failled it I wasnt one of the ones that failled

What they could not remember how to spell their name !

 

[Des 56]

What they could not remember how to spell their name !

Maybe a bit of a harsh comment because any exam is difficult
Its difficulty is relative to the person taking it

I read comments from a Napit member who holds the 2391 and took this Na 2391
He was insistent that it was a robust and difficult exam
The 100% pass mark could be a positive way of a person getting a comprehensive understanding of a subject,I must say I have not heard of another exam where you need 100%,so I take it its the subject material thats important, not the marks,or something along those lines

Why anyone would chose this exam if they want to better themselves, rather than the real deal,I fail to understand,but its their choice I suppose

If they do hold the qualification I would say well done to them

 

[ezzzekiel]

3 part multiple choice exam, building regs, electrical theory, wiring regs.
all required books taken in with you, after taking each test you resit the same exam with only the questions you got wrong and have another go (think you were allowed 4 attempts) untill all have been answeredf correctly.

the practical exam wasnt really supervised they just checked over the eic upon completion.

 

[JD6400]

Point taken Des , after i posted i did think i should have explained my reasoning .
To be honest i am all for higher standards and happily jumped through all the hoops to tick the all boxes when asked too in the early days ( as for the qualifications i already had them , it was more paper pushing that they wanted ) only to be in my opinion dumped on from a ever increasing hight !
Not all of our governing body's are out there just to milk us dry ( we as a industry know the "one" that is in it for us and not their selfs ) but as mentioned by previous posters it is almost impossible to fail most of their entrance exams , especially if you have to give a back hander to pass , not for the skill level but the apparently new paper work required !
I am sure there are plenty of other forum members that came up against this particular chap as well , as we were informed it had been going on for sometime by another inspector after the offender had been booted !!!!
Don't even bother to ask who the body was , as i will not repeat . ( probably be black listed for this let alone any more ! )

 

[Voltimax]

OK
Actually you're all missing the point here.
NA2391 is only part of the so called trade test.
The trade test was originally a damn good idea. It was designed for all those people that have had years of experience on the tools, but never had any formal qualifications. The reason i say it has been abused is because it has allowed people with no experience of the trade whatsoever, to get themselves full scope with Napit. This to me is wrong, because it's original intent has now been perverted just to get the numbers up and stay in the game. Napit is fully aware of my feelings on this subject as I've made it known on their own forum and I have evidence of such people getting through this 'test' who enjoy all the benefits I enjoy.

However in defense of Napit IQ, I will point out that even though there isn't an NICEIC 2391 or an ELECSA 2391, NICEIC do have their own course DPIR for one that is only any good if you're in the NICEIC so basically they're all up to it!

 

[IQ Electrical]

OK
Actually you're all missing the point here.
NA2391 is only part of the so called trade test.
The trade test was originally a damn good idea. It was designed for all those people that have had years of experience on the tools, but never had any formal qualifications. The reason i say it has been abused is because it has allowed people with no experience of the trade whatsoever, to get themselves full scope with Napit. This to me is wrong, because it's original intent has now been perverted just to get the numbers up and stay in the game. Napit is fully aware of my feelings on this subject as I've made it known on their own forum and I have evidence of such people getting through this 'test' who enjoy all the benefits I enjoy.

However in defense of Napit IQ, I will point out that even though there isn't an NICEIC 2391 or an ELECSA 2391, NICEIC do have their own course DPIR for one that is only any good if you're in the NICEIC so basically they're all up to it!

Oh I'm sure they are to some degree but my objection is to the name given to the NAPIT test, what will the holder of this N2391 say at an interview if asked "do you have the 2391?"

He might be honest and say "yes, the NAPIT 2391" does the prospective employer then know the difference between these 2 very different qualifications that share the same industry-wide known number?