Boris Has It ...

[bigspark17]

Well i for one will wish boris johnson all the best and a speedy recovery so he can continue the good work hes been doing for the uk so far!!

 

[davesparks]

Whilst it is not good that he has caught it, I think it will help the public to understand that this is a real threat and it can affect everybody.
It will also be good to see him isolating, delivering speeches by video call etc.

He and his government have done very well so far in their handling of this situation, taking good heed of their scientific advisors and trying to drive the message home to the public about what needs to be done to help everyone.

 

[FatAlan]

who's matt hancock?

The one that lies even more than the Prime Minister

 

[Midwest]

The one that lies even more than the Prime Minister

I don't think you are a Tory supporter.

 

[telectrix]

redder than W.C. Fields' nose.

 

[DPG]

The one that lies even more than the Prime Minister

Here we go again.

 

[Midwest]

redder than W.C. Fields' nose.

Unusual for a cop. And I don't mean a red nose.

 

[telectrix]

brown noses are more common in the police.

 

[FatAlan]

Unusual for a cop. And I don't mean a red nose.

Have voted Tory in the past. Never voted labour. Just don’t like being taken for a fool and blatantly lied to by people who are supposedly in public service when others would be sent to prison for doing the same! People are out there ... front line NHS, putting their lives on the line in this crisis with woeful PPE resourcing. Boris may be doing the best he can in the circs and lets hope he is. When the time comes it will be interesting to see if lessons are learned as this will happen again. Funny how you all assume I’m a lilly livered lefty! I’ve spent 30 years locking up (if I’m lucky) lying scumbags! I don’t like hypocritical self interested lying scumbags! I’ll leave the politics now as we have a more serious issue to get through. Take care all.

 

[littlespark]

I got to disagree there with the “woeful PPE resourcing”
They’ve been run off their feet, using more PPE than is normal and the suppliers have run out.
There just isn’t the manufacturing in place to keep up with demand.
It’s an international problem.

 

[Midwest]

Have voted Tory in the past. Never voted labour. Just don’t like being taken for a fool and blatantly lied to by people who are supposedly in public service when others would be sent to prison for doing the same! People are out there ... front line NHS, putting their lives on the line in this crisis with woeful PPE resourcing. Boris may be doing the best he can in the circs and lets hope he is. When the time comes it will be interesting to see if lessons are learned as this will happen again. Funny how you all assume I’m a lilly livered lefty! I’ve spent 30 years locking up (if I’m lucky) lying scumbags! I don’t like hypocritical self interested lying scumbags! I’ll leave the politics now as we have a more serious issue to get through. Take care all.

Politicians are all economical with the truth, its part of the nature of the business. Same as bosses can never be honest and speak their mind.

I recall one being honest with me once, talking to me about resourcing levels at peak times. 'Its called risk management; I manage things, you take the risk'. Arse.

 

[FatAlan]

I got to disagree there with the “woeful PPE resourcing”
They’ve been run off their feet, using more PPE than is normal and the suppliers have run out.
There just isn’t the manufacturing in place to keep up with demand.
It’s an international problem.

I think you’ll find that the government ignored a 2016 report that stated in such scenarios we would be short of PPE and ventilators. Hindsight is always a wonderful thing and I suppose politics is all about gambling that it won’t happen on our watch!

 

[davesparks]

I think you’ll find that the government ignored a 2016 report that stated in such scenarios we would be short of PPE and ventilators. Hindsight is always a wonderful thing and I suppose politics is all about gambling that it won’t happen on our watch!

Did they? You have proof that they ignored it I assume?
How long does all this equipment last in storage, and how much should they spend on equipment, maintainence and storage for the 'just in case supplies'

They could have filled a warehouse with ventilators and oxygen concentrators after that 2016 report and now when they pull them out of storage 4 years later half of them don't work because they've been sat idle for so long.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

Did they? You have proof that they ignored it I assume?
How long does all this equipment last in storage, and how much should they spend on equipment, maintainence and storage for the 'just in case supplies'

They could have filled a warehouse with ventilators and oxygen concentrators after that 2016 report and now when they pull them out of storage 4 years later half of them don't work because they've been sat idle for so long.

Google "Exercise Cygnus", you should find plenty of information and lead you to your own conclusion as to whether our leaders ignored it. I believe ventilators were not even considered in the report.

 

[davesparks]

Google "Exercise Cygnus", you should find plenty of information and lead you to your own conclusion as to whether our leaders ignored it. I believe ventilators were not even considered in the report.

I've googled it and found a lot of media articles about it, which are hardly reliable sources of information.
Other information that I've found indicate that it is just a small part of a much wider plan intended to see the NHS through all manner of possible emergencies, including strikes, far worse viruses than this, major accidents, natural disasters, terrorist attacks, fuel shortages and other things.

When I find proper reports on exercise cygnus I'll read up on it further of course.