Brexit. We’re out!

[telectrix]

our own farmers were slaughtering their sheep and bulldozing them into huge landfill "graves" because we couldn't compete on price.

greedy english farmers. how they could not compete on price with something that is shipped 12,000 miles is beyond me. just look at the price of lamb these days. eye-watering over £10/kg.

 

[littlespark]

Why buy nz lamb and ship it across the world? Last time I looked, we could grow sheep here. (Any Welshman want to confirm that?)

We don’t know what’s going to happen. And whatever does happen, we don’t know if it would have been better or worse if we stayed in anyway.
The result didn’t go the way I personally voted, but I’m not going to waste time demonstrating on the streets or burning flags or whatever.
As long as we don’t end up being the 52nd state of America, we’ll be fine.

 

[telectrix]

what happened to the 51st state?

 

[littlespark]

Isn’t there 51 just now?
What do I know? If I’m stuck I’ll ask a professional geography teacher

 

[telectrix]

there are 50 stats in the USA Hawaii being the last one the 50th. that's where the TV prog . got it's name ... Hawaii 50. think the 49th was Alaska. hence the gold rush guys called the 49'ers.
if you look at the American flag, there's 13 stripes for the original 13 states, and 50 stars for the existing. back in the days of WWII, there were 48 stars,

 

[static zap]

Last time I looked, we could grow sheep here.

There was that time when Russian nuclear fallout from "That" reactor spoilt things,
(and may even be a reason for some of EU to run here !)
...not much engineering going on to make pollution... Farming here we come !

 

[7029 dave]

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Bad for the environment.
Bad for our children's future.
A sad day.

I voted out for my children and grandchildren, alas all too bloody late.

 

[Darkwood]

So far, in this thread, I am clearly in the minority.
however, as JK's strapline quote says:
If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people things they do not want to hear. ~ George Orwell
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I am sorry we have left, cannot condone the burning of the EU flag when the other members were dignified in their farewell gestures, and my show of friendship will continue to fly from my balcony!
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Respect to both sides of the conversation but you brought up a very relevant problem with the EU, it was no longer a trading body, it was turning into an empire that the voter had no control of, a trading body does not have a national anthem if it's not a wannabe nation nor does it have a national flag, although the burning of that flag was just a select random few people it seems that stigma has been attached to any brexiteer, let me clarify that you cannot paint the masses with the acts of a few that the biased media who put this to the public with the same paint brush, maybe you should be attacking the media here and not those who voted in general for brexit.

 

[Vortigern]

What the UK wants is all the benefits of the EU without the obligations

Indeed and why not? People have not forgotten anything on your list. There is more to consider than those benefits, if they can really be called that. The price of those benefits is to have an unelected bureaucracy and ceding of powers to foreign entities with the attendant loss of sovereignty. Too higher price in my opinion, for mere baubles in fact. Something like the Island of Manhattan being traded for a case of whisky and beads.
That same sovereignty that decided with an overwhelming majority to vote for a parliament that would enact the will of the electorate recently. Don't misunderstand this I am all for trade with any country that will enrich us. I just don't want to live under unaccountable, unelected and spendthrift miscreants.

 

[Darkwood]

I'll just add here that Canada and Japan were given 90% of the benefits without the obligations, the uk trades 10 times more than either of these countries, the Idea that the EU would punish us while we now have such a strong hand is simply ridiculous, yes we will see the same rhetoric and predictions all from globalism sources but you just need to look at the last 3 years to realise none of it ever came true ... the cornerstone of most of the remain camp arguments in the early days... seems they still haven't learnt any lessons and follow pollsters that have repeatedly predicted wrong.

 

[baldelectrician]

@ baldelectrician:

think back.
once upon a time we had a good deal going with new Zealand lamb and butter.
UK farmers were at a disadvantage due to subsidised meat from NZ

once in the ECM that stopped, prices rocketed just to stockpile the products to subsidise french surrender monkeys.
The EU introduced import duties to protect EU farmers from meat at below market cost coming in

we were promised the removal of tariffs, so we could buy goods from europe.
Yep - that happened, that's why many companies that make stuff here (such as car manufacturers have 'just in time' supply chains as the internal market works

smokes never came down in price to match europe.
UK government set UK excise duty - how is that still the fault of the EU ?
still cost 5 x as much as (e.g. spain). we never were allowed to buy abroad without paying huge import UK duty.
UK government set UK excise duty - how is that still the fault of the EU ?

most of our fishing industry (and that affected Scotland worst) was decimated by allowing the frnch and spanish to fish our waters.
That was Ted Heath (UK prime minister) who sold out the fishing industry- see below

the NHS is swamped by freeloaders from europe courtesy of the eu.
Almost ALL the EU persons in UK hospitals are staff who work, live and treat eternally greatful UK citizens

there's more, but i can't be arsed.

That was Ted Heath (UK prime minister) who sold out the fishing industry- see below

Christopher Booker's Notebook

www.telegraph.co.uk

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I'll just add here that Canada and Japan were given 90% of the benefits without the obligations, the uk trades 10 times more than either of these countries, the Idea that the EU would punish us while we now have such a strong hand is simply ridiculous, yes we will see the same rhetoric and predictions all from globalism sources but you just need to look at the last 3 years to realise none of it ever came true ... the cornerstone of most of the remain camp arguments in the early days... seems they still haven't learnt any lessons and follow pollsters that have repeatedly predicted wrong.

The Canada deal does not include services, quite a high proportion of the UK economy is services
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I'll just add here that Canada and Japan were given 90% of the benefits without the obligations, the uk trades 10 times more than either of these countries, the Idea that the EU would punish us while we now have such a strong hand is simply ridiculous, yes we will see the same rhetoric and predictions all from globalism sources but you just need to look at the last 3 years to realise none of it ever came true ... the cornerstone of most of the remain camp arguments in the early days... seems they still haven't learnt any lessons and follow pollsters that have repeatedly predicted wrong.

The Canada deal does not include services, quite a high proportion of the UK economy is services

The 4 pillars of the EU market are
Free movement of:

1. Goods
2. Services
3. Money
4. People

You don't get 1 and 2 and 3 without taking 4

 

[Midwest]

The Canada deal does not include services, quite a high proportion of the UK economy is services

What do define 'Services' as?

 

[andyb]

What do define 'Services' as?

It's about 80% of our economy MW, it's things like banking, (so that's basically the city of London) insurance, legal stuff, architecture etc.

 

[static zap]

(so that's basically the city of London) insurance, legal stuff, architecture etc.

Been a long time since I've used this phrase ..
Are they the "Big Wigs" ?

 

[Midwest]

It's about 80% of our economy MW, it's things like banking, (so that's basically the city of London) insurance, legal stuff, architecture etc.

I see that, but I also read that the definition of service 'industries' is quite wide. I also read that London itself generates 22% of the UK's GDP. I was wondering what the % figure for Edinburgh is? (figures from Wikipedia, so I'm being careful).