Brexit. We’re out!

[andyb]

So hows the grocer weighing the 10 oz steak and the lb of bananas hes going to sell you ??

I'll let Littlespark explain.

all this talk of imperial v metric.
I think the law is that you can sell it how you like, but it has to have the metric equivalent on the label.
Ie, a pint of milk will have 568ml written in it, but we still call it a pint of milk.

 

[electric al]

So next time I order a 12 inch pizza I'll look out to see if it says 305mm on the box

 

[littlespark]

So next time I order a 12 inch pizza I'll look out to see if it says 305mm on the box

Do you though? Or do they come “standard” or “large” size?
Actually, it’s been a long time since I bought a 7 inch single on vinyl.

The products uses imperial weights as names really now, such as “a quarter pounder”, or the aforementioned “pint”

You never know, maybe post-Brexit, we’ll go back to pounds and ounces, shillings and old pennies

 

[electric al]

Exit markers on motorways are 100 yards apart .Horse racing distances are still in furlongs and signposts are still in miles .we are told Tyson fury is six foot 9 .The truth is we have never truly embraced metrification

 

[Zerax]

(btw under EU rules, it's never been illegal to sell bananas by the lb)

errr... the Weights and Measures Act 1985 says otherwise... Weights and measures: the law - https://www.gov.uk/weights-measures-and-packaging-the-law
[automerge]1584575002[/automerge]

Someone selling a 10 oz steak? That’ll be a butcher, then

all this talk of imperial v metric.
I think the law is that you can sell it how you like, but it has to have the metric equivalent on the label.
Ie, a pint of milk will have 568ml written in it, but we still call it a pint of milk.

Sort of... the Act says...
The only products you can sell in imperial measures are:

• draught beer or cider by pint
• milk in returnable containers by pint
• precious metals by troy ounce

You can display an imperial measurement alongside the metric measurement but it can’t stand out more than the metric measurement.

 

[andyb]

errr... the Weights and Measures Act 1985 says otherwise... Weights and measures: the law - https://www.gov.uk/weights-measures-and-packaging-the-law
[automerge]1584575002[/automerge]

Sort of... the Act says...
The only products you can sell in imperial measures are:

• draught beer or cider by pint
• milk in returnable containers by pint
• precious metals by troy ounce

You can display an imperial measurement alongside the metric measurement but it can’t stand out more than the metric measurement.

You must weigh the produce using metric scales Zerax, I said that earlier. But it is perfectly legal to sell a pound of bananas if asked so long as as you use metric scales. ie 454 grams.

 

[Zerax]

You must weigh the produce using metric scales Zerax, I said that earlier. But it is perfectly legal to sell a pound of bananas if asked so long as as you use metric scales. ie 454 grams.

Errrr... No... you could get prosecuted. You must sell 454 grams of bananas that happens to be 1 pound. The act is very clear on this. There are only a few explicit exceptions.

So..... you could put up a sign on your fruit and veg stall saying:

Ripe Bananas for sale ! 40p for 454g (1 pound).... Legal
Ripe Bananas for sale ! 40p for 1 pound (454g).... Illegal
(I've used the same metric scales both times)

 

[andyb]

Errrr... No... you could get prosecuted. You must sell 454 grams of bananas that happens to be 1 pound. The act is very clear on this. There are only a few explicit exceptions.

So..... you could put up a sign on your fruit and veg stall saying:

Ripe Bananas for sale ! 40p for 454g (1 pound).... Legal
Ripe Bananas for sale ! 40p for 1 pound (454g).... Illegal
(I've used the same metric scales both times)

I think you're over thinking this Zerax, if I ask a market trader for 1lb of bananas and I'm sold 1 lb of bananas then no law has been broken as long as they were weighed on metric scales.
It's really not important to me.

 

[Midwest]

I like bananas.

 

[littlespark]

I like bananas.

@Midwest contribution, and only 3 words.
But now our bananas can be as bendy as we like. No EU rules on that.... Yeeeah! ???

 

[Darkwood]

Well as ever it’s down to the final agreement we sign with the EU. If we exit without a deal and on full WTO terms then there will be tariffs on our food imports, for example 21% on tomatoes. Factor in the extra transport costs i.e. customs clearance and delays at Dover then it’s clear, to me at least that prices will rise.

This s the worst-case scenario I think, and I still feel (possible naively) that a decent settlement will be agreed.

Do you have any evidence that prices will reduce?

I never said they would as a whole but here is the issue which is seldom ever thought about, even under wto rules with the EU we can arrange low tariff deals, free trade deals with the rest of the world and undercut the EU substantially, we were unable to do so as part of the block, the EU nations are not the only producers of most of the imports we enjoy, this is why it is unlikely we would ever get to a position of going WTO, the EU simply could not compete when we don't have to follow single market rules, they no longer are in any position to call the shots and that is more than clear by the u-turn in there tone if you can forgive the odd diplomats hot air comments for which the mainstream media love to hang on. The simple fact is we could have a Canada or Australia style deal which they have over 95% access to the single market without been tied down by the EU, we the UK trade 10x that of Canada so how is it they 'claim' we can't, it's just all scaremongering negotiation strategy from the EU but by their own admittance they are no longer holding any cards here.
Ps - I would need to check what tariff changes would apply if we went wto but from memory the majority are less than 2% which would normally be soaked up by industry to ensure sales are maintained, there are the odd extortionate examples out there but we just import from elsewhere.

 

[Zerax]

The EU are very very worried that a successful, thriving UK outside of the EU 'club' will only result in more countries leaving... and it won't be the countries that are net beneficiaries ! The 'EU project' will have to change to survive. Countries that took the Euro are in for a very rough time !

I suspect we'll see the existing group of 27 fragment into smaller groups, with each group being far more homogenous than the current single group. Germany may be on it's own, reverting to the Deutschmark.

But a weak or collapsing EU is not in the interests of the UK... we want prosperous trading partners !

 

[pirate]

We already buy lots of stuff from non EU countries...however, I refuse to buy green beans from Zambia as the carbon footprint is ridiculous.
The big supermarkets have spread the myth that the british housewife/husband demands that all fruits and vegetables are available 355 days a year (and 366 in leap years) but this is just wrong...we used to look forward to the quality produce that appeared in-store at certain times of the year, for example, here in Scotland we eagerly awaited the Ayrshire potatoes, the Clyde Valley tomatoes or Carse of Gowrie raspberries and strawberries etc but now we are proffered all manner of such from Spain and Morocco and many other places well outside the EU...and why would you give M&S £9.99 of your heard-earned for 2 tiny bream farmed in Egypt?
Time we supported our local producers, particularly our fisherman who have had to send all their produce, specifically shellfish, to the continent where they are willing to pay more than we are here in UK.
As always, the market will find its own level...

 

[littlespark]

Shellfish don’t matter to me. You can export the lot as far as I’m concerned....
New Zealand lamb? No thanks. Scotch lamb will do me.
nothing happening on the Brexit trade front until corona “gets sorted”

 

[Darkwood]

The UK is quite unique as it was the second largest contributor and also had the 5th largest economy now slipped to 6th in the world, in reflection the UK leaving is equivalent to that of 18 of the poorer EU nations in economical value to the EU, it is highly unlikely that this would create a domino effect simply because most of the EU nations will not be in any foreseeable position to do so, only France and Germany could theoretically make a success or those not tied so tightly into the EU, if either France or Germany did leave then the EU seizes to exist in it's current form.

Many people fail to recognise the very dire financial position the EU are in, a trillion Euro bonds buy up which prevented the Euro collapsing with the financial crash did not stimulate the EU economy like it was supposed to and now that tap has been turned off we see the EU going through economical slow down we went through at the beginning, the only difference is we have benefitted the UKs financial situation and are now able to inject it back into the system, the EU however has crippled itself and has no way of recouping the bonds buy out, Corona virus on top of this will only see more bonds bought up and we are not far off the Euro collapsing, this will destroy many EU economies and we also will feel the knock on effect but been external to the Euro and EU will act as a cushion effect....

Unless the EU drastically changes its destination and goes into a state of long term austerity to counter the inevitable, it is blindly walking into a disaster that will ripple around the world.