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My friends downstairs sockets are tripping the RCD. First thing I did is unplug everything on the circuit, switched on the MCB and the RCD tripped. Tested continuity of L-L N-N CPC-CPC between the legs. CPC has no continuity whatsoever. Could anyone advise me what would be my next step to determine where the break in the cpc is? Thanks
 
Could I connect LEG1 CPC to LEG1 Line and test each socket for continuity, then jot down which sockets (if any) I get continuity, then do the same with LEG2 CPC and LEG2 Line until I find any more continuity, jot down again, the ones that are left without continuity I test between??
 
Zs = Ze + (R1+R2) / 4 - So if I did this equation for each socket, the one (or more) with the high readings will be the culprit(s)? Is that what your saying?

So go on then, if you have a broken CPC how are you going to calculate that.

My suggestion of using Zs is simple, I've used it in the past and its quick and did help pin point the issue.
 
Also, would this not be the reason the RCD is tripping? Or will I need to locate a N-E / L-E fault somewhere as well?

No, lack of continuity on a cpc will not be the reason for tripping of an RCD. What was your reasoning for thinking this?

Yes, you will need to locate a N-E or L-E fault.
 
re Earth problem. A quicker way (well when I do it) Disconnect obviously (before some brite spark points out the need) Break the earth at some point, ideally the DB. (You could try at any socket but there may be covert earthing loops), connect ONE cpc to live. Check in which other sockets E-L resistance is low. Those that are are on one leg upto the break. For confidence disconnect the first cpc and connect the second cpc then check again. All other sockets should be on the second leg. So the break is between the two legs. In concept this is similar to the Zs test mentioned above but I find that Zs is very variable anyway.

The RCD trip is conceptually nothng to do with the broken earth, unless the broken cable is touching the nutral. Tracking the fault can vary from easy to ***** difficult. If you have a solid nutral to earth low resistance, say 1 ohm or less then you are in luck. Disconnect both leve and nutral at DB and progress around circuit measuring the E-N resistance. the fault will be somewhere close to the lowest resistance. If the N-E resistance is high, more than a few ohms, then its back to the binary chop menthod given by other responders.
 
No, lack of continuity on a cpc will not be the reason for tripping of an RCD. What was your reasoning for thinking this?

Yes, you will need to locate a N-E or L-E fault.

I didn't even think about it to be honest, I was just focusing on the CPC problem. What steps would I undertake to determine the cause of the RCD fault then, as it would seem better to get this out of the way first?
 
re Earth problem. A quicker way (well when I do it) Disconnect obviously (before some brite spark points out the need) Break the earth at some point, ideally the DB. (You could try at any socket but there may be covert earthing loops), connect ONE cpc to live. Check in which other sockets E-L resistance is low. Those that are are on one leg upto the break. For confidence disconnect the first cpc and connect the second cpc then check again. All other sockets should be on the second leg. So the break is between the two legs. In concept this is similar to the Zs test mentioned above but I find that Zs is very variable anyway.

The RCD trip is conceptually nothng to do with the broken earth, unless the broken cable is touching the nutral. Tracking the fault can vary from easy to ***** difficult. If you have a solid nutral to earth low resistance, say 1 ohm or less then you are in luck. Disconnect both live and nutral at DB and progress around circuit measuring the E-N resistance. the fault will be somewhere close to the lowest resistance. If the N-E resistance is high, more than a few ohms, then its back to the binary chop menthod given by other responders.
 

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