Building regulations...or not...that is the question

[Druncanduncan]

Hey all. a relative newbie here so appologies if uv read this umpteen times b4. i have searched but to no avail. here goes. having recently finished 4 years in college whilst completing c+g 2330 lv2+3, 2392+2391, pat testing, 17th edition, part p of building regs just looking to sign with NICEIC. As regards to part p of building regs, my understanding was this would cover an eletrician as part p of building regs is obviously electrical. was informed today, right or wrong i do not know, i must now complete a full building regs course at a massive cost(nothing new). either through NIC or elsewhere. surely having passed my 2391 i should be classed as competant enough to work anywhere, within reason. baffled now. thoughts please......

 

[Rauer]

You don't need to do a part p course, just phone up your chosen scheme they will tell you that you have the relevant qualifications , pay them your money, they will then come and assess you and your work and then you are able to do domestic work

 

[stef]

There is something in part M I think, called accessability but there is no course for it.
it is covered in the OSG. Who told you about. That BR course?

 

[ruston]

You have more than enough there to get into any of the schemes, They are just after your money.

 

[Strima]

Who advised you about this building regs course? Name and shame!!!

 

[Guest55]

...... surely having passed my 2391 i should be classed as competant enough to work anywhere, within reason. baffled now. thoughts please......

no you dont need to do any buildings regs courses but being competent isnt just about having a fistful of certs , it means experience and developed skills.
2391 is only of use if you've had testing experience in the field.

 

[Des 56]

I will take a guess that its the good old Niceic giving this information and I wont apologise if I'm wrong because they would if they could anyway

quote, either through NIC or elsewhere.
Those enemies of the trade don't seem to miss an opportunity when pound coins are at stake

Its a pity they dont remember that its hardworking electricians livelyhoods at stake when they hear the cash tills clanking with their gimmicks

 

[Druncanduncan]

Thanks all for the quick replies. Pretty much what i thought but believe it or not it was a former tutor of ours whom apparantly advised a friend of mine we would need to complete the full building regulations course. Drumming up trade for the college maybe? And i do appreciate competancy comes with experience but surely passing 2391 would grant you a certain level of competancy?

 

[ruston]

The problem is a lot of people fall for this folklore.

 

[Druncanduncan]

This is 1 area i feel where this forum comes into its own; solid impartial advice

 

[Rauer]

Thanks all for the quick replies. Pretty much what i thought but believe it or not it was a former tutor of ours whom apparantly advised a friend of mine we would need to complete the full building regulations course. Drumming up trade for the college maybe? And i do appreciate competancy comes with experience but surely passing 2391 would grant you a certain level of competancy?

I wouldn't say that someone is a competent electrician just cause they have done the 2391 , just cause you know the regs in a classroom is different to on site practical knowledge

 

[jimmymac]

I agree with Rauer in that it is knowledge AND experience that makes you a good spark. The key is to know your limits and build on you knowledge gradually. With regard to another course on building regs, i dont think this is neccesary at all, are all tradesmen expected to do this course or is it just sparks?? (cant see any of the plasterers i know sitting in a class room)

If you have the OSG & the Electricians Guide to Building Regs then surely thats enough (providing you can read, unlike the plasterers i mentioned earlier)

 

[Druncanduncan]

Thankyou all for the advice and comments...the positive stuff anyway. I dont pretend to be a good spark or competant clever dick just because ive passed a few exams and ammasses various certificates. I was just seeking clarification on a certain matter which hopefully will stand me in good stead on my chosen career path, as im sure this forum is designed and setup to do so.

 

[linetech]

no you dont need to do any buildings regs courses but being competent isnt just about having a fistful of certs , it means experience and developed skills.
2391 is only of use if you've had testing experience in the field.

Biff I think the academic knowledge with regard to the building regulations is a bit of both - Hands on & knowing the written particulars that shape what you actually have to do with your hands, without it people would not know what it is exactly they need to conform with although they may be a proefficient skilled worker.. Parts A,B,C,E,F,L,M & P are all relivant to electrical in dwellings and are covered by the 2393 C&G... Druncanduncan although always drunk lol..does have a 2393 C&G Cert which incorporates the Big P..

The 2391 actually teaches you to test and if you have done previous courses leading up to the 2391 such as 2392, 2382, 2393, 2330 levels 1 & 2 its fair to say that you have already gained a bit of valueable experience required otherwise its all for nothing.. Im sure all the people spending a fortune on real courses like the C&Gs would debate they have gained quite extensive knowledge in 4 years of muching numerous books & testing on a regular basis.. :2guns:

 

[Guest55]

Biff I think the academic knowledge with regard to the building regulations is a bit of both - Hands on & knowing the written particulars that shape what you actually have to do with your hands, without it people would not know what it is exactly they need to conform with although they may be a proefficient skilled worker.. Parts A,B,C,E,F,L,M & P are all relivant to electrical in dwellings and are covered by the 2393 C&G... Druncanduncan although always drunk lol..does have a 2393 C&G Cert which incorporates the Big P..

The 2391 actually teaches you to test and if you have done previous courses leading up to the 2391 such as 2392, 2382, 2393, 2330 levels 1 & 2 its fair to say that you have already gained a bit of valueable experience required otherwise its all for nothing.. Im sure all the people spending a fortune on real courses like the C&Gs would debate they have gained quite extensive knowledge in 4 years of muching numerous books & testing on a regular basis.. :2guns:

a few points
Firstly the 2393 buildings regs course is 1-2 days , yes thats right , 1-2 days.
Exactly how much are you going to learn in that exactly time ?
Secondly the 2391 , although tough , is 5 days long.
Youre not going to get that much experience from it. What you will get is the underpining fundamental instruction in how it should be done and the course was always intended for sparks who already do testing , not trainees.
Doing periodic inspections properly takes years of testing experience , you cant get any of that from a college.